Dear Patrick,
        
        
         
        
        
        Thanks for the info, 
        and I did and do admire Professor Laithwaite.  I only met him once and 
        briefly, but liked him immediately.  His work was also important, and I 
        do believe that much remains to be learned about gyros.  And he 
        certainly did comprehend that Heaviside's extra energy circulation 
        component had electrogravitational consequences.  I still think he got a 
        bum deal from the Royal Society when no proceedings of his invited 
        lecture was published, the first such time that happened in 200 years or 
        so.
        
        
         
        
        
        On the gyro experiment 
        in water, the gyro should be completely enclosed so that no contact is 
        made between the spinning wheel and the water (otherwise, we are 
        converting mechanical stored energy into work being done upon the 
        surface of the water) and even between the moving air around the gyro 
        wheel and the water.  Then if in a closed box it floats for awhile when 
        spinning, and doesn't float for a while when not spinning, one then 
        would be faced with trying to explain the anomaly.
        
        
         
        
        
        Best wishes,
        
        
         
        
        
        Tom Bearden
        
        
        
         
        
        From:  Patrick  / London / UK
        
        22nd May  2002
        
        FAO Tom Bearden / please forward if necessary
        
        Dear Colonel Bearden,
        
        I was interested to read you comments on Eric Laithwaite in a recent
        correspondence reply. In my estimation Professor Laithwaite was one of 
        the
        great engineering minds of the post war period, but sadly without due 
        honour in his own time. As you say, he had radical and important ideas 
        about gyro precession and propulsion, which probably limited his career. 
        Not many
        scientists or engineers seem to appreciate the reality of precessional
        forces. A lot of them want to confine the idea to the nutation of the
        earthıs axis, but it is omni present in all dynamic systems.
        
        Laithwaite was reasonably well known for his work on linear induction
        motors, and several of his lectures were broadcast on British TV, 
        including
        demonstrations with massive, bench top gyros. I can still clearly 
        remember
        him telling a studio audience of schoolchildren that proper, open 
        research
        into gyro precession / propulsion was being neglected and discouraged.
        
        
        Many years later, I conceived (in a dream !) a simple experiment which
        happens to work fine in reality, and demonstrates the principle for just 
        a
        few pounds / dollars. Here goes:
        
        Purchase a small gyro of the kind designed like a spinning topı, where 
        the
        flywheel is mounted inside a streamlined plastic casing, which is
        practically watertight. These are commercially available as toys in the 
        UK. 
        
        Place the gyro in a large tank or bath of water. It quickly sinks. 
        
        Take the same gyro, dry it off, and power it up to the maximum possible
        revs. Carefully place the spinning gyro back into the water. Now it 
        floats,
        for 10-15 seconds, maybe longer, until the flywheel starts to dump 
        energy
        too quickly. Other lateral movements can also be seen.
        
        So there it is !  An active gyro weighs less than the same gyro when 
        inertı
        or staticı. Its mass is the same, but it weighs less, just like a man 
        on
        the moon. 
        
        The obvious question is how come this particular force is only manifest 
        in
        the water ? My insatnt hunch answer is as follows:
        
        The spinning flywheel develops precessional forces at ninety degrees to 
        the
        plane of rotation, in other words parallel to the axis of spin. The 
        greater
        the mass acceleration of the flywheel, the greater the precessional 
        force.
        Air alone does not provide sufficient mass density for these forces to 
        react
        against visibly, but water does. Precession begets precession, again at
        ninety degrees, and so a small lateral movement may also be seen. 
        
        I can only assume that this disparity in mass density is sufficient such
        that the forces act only to support the gyro, without, at the same time,
        working to sink it. In other words, when a gyro spins in the air, 
        supported
        on a massive body, the precessional forces, in reality, (but non 
        observably)
        are generated equally on both sides of the flywheel, along the axis of 
        spin,
        but in each case away from the centre of spin. Being equal they will 
        tend to
        cancel out. The presence of the air / water interface alters this 
        equation;
        it is suficiently asymmetric that the gyro can float as long as flywheel
        spins fast enough. 
        
        Anyway, that is my strictly non  academic contribution.
        
        Best wishes and good luck in your endeavours
        
        Patrick