tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post8303585243782114804..comments2017-04-13T04:47:21.148-06:00Comments on Pro Libertate: The Sacred Cause of "Officer Safety" William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-55127086562111121112016-04-30T01:38:53.028-06:002016-04-30T01:38:53.028-06:00I am sorry beyond expression, and earnestly wish I...I am sorry beyond expression, and earnestly wish I could offer suitable words of comfort. William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-60404661093816025732016-04-30T01:11:02.048-06:002016-04-30T01:11:02.048-06:00That was my Daddy. I was 16 I can't ever accep...That was my Daddy. I was 16 I can't ever accept this Susan Scotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17291925195858999102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-71624543381111842092012-12-24T08:19:57.808-07:002012-12-24T08:19:57.808-07:00Oh, I'm not bluffing
-- says the intrepid hec...<i>Oh, I'm not bluffing</i><br /><br />-- says the intrepid heckler from the shadows of his chosen anonymity. William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-5141866598890262482012-12-24T07:47:23.046-07:002012-12-24T07:47:23.046-07:00Oh, I'm not bluffing. We'll discuss this f...Oh, I'm not bluffing. We'll discuss this further when the case is dismissed in summary judgement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-36782042121014247072012-12-20T17:50:38.497-07:002012-12-20T17:50:38.497-07:00What did Mr. Pierson lie about? His account was re...What did Mr. Pierson lie about? His account was recorded by his cell phone, and the gravamen of his case was confirmed by Bassett in his deposition. I contacted the agency that employs Bassett for their side of the story, and they weren't willing to comment on either this case or their policies for situations of this kind. <br /><br />I'm not privy to Pierson's motives, but I suspect he's not interested in money. On what evidence, oh bold and valiant Anonymous commenter, do you profess such detailed insight into this matter? Were you present at the time of the incident? My cards are on display. You need to show your hand, or admit you're bluffing. William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-32383422794758357542012-12-20T17:38:12.014-07:002012-12-20T17:38:12.014-07:00Capt. Pierson is a liar who played the vet card. S...Capt. Pierson is a liar who played the vet card. Shame on him! All your rants are based on the word of a person who skewed the truth for financial gain. This case will never see a court room and Pierson will never see a dime. Mark my word. This case will be dismissed with a summary judgement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-22690578410027138252012-10-07T01:30:00.987-06:002012-10-07T01:30:00.987-06:00Anyone who has lived in Star Valley, as I did for ...Anyone who has lived in Star Valley, as I did for 20 years, knows the Bassets to have a reputation for being poachers of deer, elk, bear, cougar, and fish. It's alarming, nation wide, at how all police forces these days seem to be over loaded with young, overweight, bully-boy, skin-heads with big mouths and itchy trigger fingers. Some forces are entirely made up of these types. Being an officer of the law is an extreemly tough and dangerous job. A bunch of bullies with badges and guns and a system that protects it's own is not a police force. It's a police state.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-28577181533652478852012-10-07T00:33:56.988-06:002012-10-07T00:33:56.988-06:00There's a fierce debate, though,about whether ...<i>There's a fierce debate, though,about whether the biker was actually under arrest.</i><br /><br />That he was under arrest is indisputable:<br /><br /><i>An individual is "under arrest" when a reasonable person in the subject's shoes would feel like they were not free to leave under the circumstances. Florida v. Royer, 460 U.S. 491, 502, 103 S.Ct. 1319, 75 L.Ed.2d 229 (1983).</i><br /><br />That's an excerpt from a fairly recent police academy tutorial covering "Legal Aspects of Arrest" --<br />http://www.kscoplaw.com/outlines/arrest.html<br /><br />That same document states the matter quite plainly:<br /><br /><i>An arrest basically is a "seizure" of a person. The seizure can be permanent (arrest of a killer who goes to prison for life) or temporary (application of handcuffs to mouthy, irate person during a car stop).</i><br /><br />Although I don't agree with those who say that a "Terry stop" falls short of an arrest, that position is at least defensible. Once someone is in handcuffs, however, an arrest has occurred, and only someone with a Clinton-level aversion to honesty would contend otherwise. <br /><br />Robert Pierson was carrying openly; he was composed and cooperative. He did nothing wrong, and Bassett had no legal right or authority to restrain him for any reason. Bassett's position, as he stated unambiguously, was that neither the Constitution nor the law matters where "officer safety" is concerned. William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-81163303937621945922012-10-06T21:43:46.631-06:002012-10-06T21:43:46.631-06:00it's difficult to see how Pierson could have b...<i>it's difficult to see how Pierson could have been more cooperative.</i><br />We're discussing this incident and your article on a message board. I think I'm the only one taking the biker's side (or at least the only one with guys to buck everybody else). But the one thing we agree on, except for the badge-lickers, of course, is that a better response to "Do you have a gun?" would have been, "I'm under no obligation to answer that." <br /><br />There's a fierce debate, though,about whether the biker was actually under arrest. I've found supporting information on various websites that says basically what you've said--when your movement is restricted, when you can't leave if you want, you're under arrest. But then again, supporting information from authoritative sources that says otherwise. So what information are you using?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-92179991479655178232012-10-06T13:03:43.357-06:002012-10-06T13:03:43.357-06:00could have went a lot smoother if the biker wasn&#...<i>could have went a lot smoother if the biker wasn't determined to have a pissing match</i><br /><br />Pierson was completely compliant. Please forgive the vulgarity, but ruling out an offer to fellate the officer who turned this incident into a melodrama, it's difficult to see how Pierson could have been more cooperative. <br /><br />William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-19614944212124704622012-10-06T11:26:37.475-06:002012-10-06T11:26:37.475-06:00Do not blame the officer at all. My safety would a...Do not blame the officer at all. My safety would always come first. I have a concealed and when being confronted by an officer, it is one of the first things I let th know about. Especially if they ask. could have went a lot smoother if the biker wasn't determined to have a pissing match.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-33140335584676390252012-10-05T02:34:07.673-06:002012-10-05T02:34:07.673-06:00Paul, as a born & raised Star Valley resident,...Paul, as a born & raised Star Valley resident, As is Corry Bassett, he is NOT a new hire! There are Very few "cops" in SV that are worth a shit anymore. Hell the NEW chief is the worst one of them! very good blog. I hope this doesn't get swept under the rug like most everything else in this town! I am posting "anonymous" so I'm not the next "victim" to be harrassed...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-30541088297288810592012-10-04T21:11:13.584-06:002012-10-04T21:11:13.584-06:00Mr. Grigg,
Do you happen to be in contact with Mr....Mr. Grigg,<br />Do you happen to be in contact with Mr. Pierson? I have a person that could be a great character witness for his case. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-24448063492484206292012-10-01T12:27:14.754-06:002012-10-01T12:27:14.754-06:00I have routinely carried openly in Wyoming. There ...I have routinely carried openly in Wyoming. There is a thread on the "Free State Wyoming" forum 64 pages long of people describing their experience carrying openly in Wyoming. Such events as William describes are extremely rare there, but they do happen on occasion. Most times OC is ignored by cops.<br /><br />I have a couple of friends who were stopped by cops in Powell, Wyoming, who didn't like their OC. However they stood up to the cops, and were not disarmed, much less handcuffed. The pigs finally went away.<br /><br />I think usually when this happens, it can be blamed on new cop hires from some place like Los Angeles, where they haven't been brought up to speed about Wyoming law or reality.Paul Bonneaunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-24181285696401211322012-09-30T23:23:44.381-06:002012-09-30T23:23:44.381-06:00Glenn said: "I would like to hear both sides ...Glenn said: "I would like to hear both sides before making a final decision." <br /><br />Most of the incident was caught on tape, but left out of this tape is the statement by the deputies that they would let Pierson go if he allowed them to shoot him if he made any suspicious moves. <br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xXwW2nrV0bY<br /><br />Res ipsa loquitir (mostly).<br /><br />The citizen was not required to inform the deputies that he was openly-carrying. <br /><br />"You're not under arrest; you're being detained," said the Deputy Corry Bassett. What the hell does that mean? That the handcuffs are not really there?<br /><br />I absolutely respect Robert Pierson for verbally standing up to the deputy. The deputy was momentarily surprised by the sight of a weapon on the citizen's hip, and angry that the citizen had not answered his question concerning firearm possession, so the deputy expressed his anger by arresting the citizen and holding him in cuffs for nearly an hour by the side of the road. <br /><br />I am pleased that Pierson has filed a civil lawsuit against the Lincoln County Sheriff’s Office. If even ten percent of the American people had the backbone of Capt. Robert Pierson, America today would still be a free country instead of a transmogrified quasi-police security state.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-7912704515661861452012-09-30T07:45:33.545-06:002012-09-30T07:45:33.545-06:00Stories like these make me think of Acts 22:25-29
...Stories like these make me think of Acts 22:25-29<br /><br /> 25 And as they bound him with thongs, Paul said unto the centurion that stood by, Is it lawful for you to scourge a man that is a Roman, and uncondemned?<br /><br />26 When the centurion heard that, he went and told the chief captain, saying, Take heed what thou doest: for this man is a Roman.<br /><br />27 Then the chief captain came, and said unto him, Tell me, art thou a Roman? He said, Yea.<br /><br />28 And the chief captain answered, With a great sum obtained I this freedom. And Paul said, But I was free born.<br /><br />29 Then straightway they departed from him which should have examined him: and the chief captain also was afraid, after he knew that he was a Roman, and because he had bound him.<br /><br />A Roman citizen was not to be handcuffed. American citizens are abused like conquered subjects. Chris Mallorynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-63686735860514124782012-09-29T20:16:53.342-06:002012-09-29T20:16:53.342-06:00The police are turning into armed criminals with l...The police are turning into armed criminals with little to no accountability. The problem in all of this is in the fact that we mundanes are far better people than the police. <br />We do not threaten to kill police officers at the slightest provocation. <br />We do not deprive police officers of their natural rights when we come into contact with them. <br />We do not extort money or sexual favors from police officers. <br />We do not engage in criminal activity in order to create criminals to put into the system like police officers often do. <br />We do not lie as a routine part of our occupation.<br /><br />The bottom line is that dirty cops are only allowed to live because we are better than they are.The question is how long do these dirty cops think that can continue?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-15871557673098274702012-09-29T03:51:22.752-06:002012-09-29T03:51:22.752-06:00The Lady In NY, (Rochester I believe it was..), wh...The Lady In NY, (Rochester I believe it was..), when they noticed her filming, an Officer stated that 'he didn't feel safe with someone behind him'. <br />The exact 'Policy' that allows LEOs to act this way even where there are no violations..Wrongway1965http://www.blogger.com/profile/07876122727022551400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-12640689235509530692012-09-28T09:26:11.020-06:002012-09-28T09:26:11.020-06:00Cops are the standing army that the founders warn...Cops are the standing army that the founders warned us about 200 years ago.<br /><br />For our first 300 years on this continent, we managed to not only survive, but to thrive without the donut eaters in costume. I think we would not only be free'er, but also safer, if we disbanded this threat to our liberties and let the true sovereigns, the people, take responsibility of their own safety.InalienableWrightshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02108700971976990644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-54428699549911243762012-09-28T09:20:04.499-06:002012-09-28T09:20:04.499-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.mikehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16929031405156797953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-47741896225003210452012-09-28T06:59:38.903-06:002012-09-28T06:59:38.903-06:00Comrades donut inhalers are of the exalted class a...Comrades donut inhalers are of the exalted class and must shower after coming into contact with unwashed mundanes. The hopetopia is going to be ever so glorious but first we will have to break a few eggs. Forward!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-9939691195056484162012-09-28T05:12:42.810-06:002012-09-28T05:12:42.810-06:00@MoT
Yes, lots of irony in this story: "Impe...@MoT<br /><br />Yes, lots of irony in this story: "Imperial occupation trooper <br />confronted by domestic occupation trooper."<br />The contradiction is just too irrational for many of our vets to <br />deal with. Some of them just blow a gasket and either start<br />beating their wife and kids or just throw in the towel and<br />join the local police force.<br />The U.S. is turning into a nation of abused children. willbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-82169677271487160242012-09-27T22:08:37.266-06:002012-09-27T22:08:37.266-06:00I agree that was pretty terrible behavior on the p...I agree that was pretty terrible behavior on the part of the police if all is as has been reported here. I would like to hear both sides before making a final decision.<br /><br />One thing I would like to point out though, you made a grave error in saying that any time law enforcement restrains you, it is an arrest. That is absolutely not correct. A Terry Stop is not an arrest. A routine traffic stop, as in when you get a ticket for speeding, usualy is not an arrest. A police officer intervening in a fight between two drunks and restraining them so they cannot continue the fight is not necessarily arresting them. Investigative stops and inspections at the U.S. Border or its functional equivalent, by Customs Authorities, almost always are not an arrest. Yet in each of those cases someone has been restrained temporarily. No, not every case of someone being restrained is an arrest. However, almost every case of being placed into restraints, such as handcuffs, is an arrest. Placing someone in handcuffs in a case like this though, if the story is correct, would definitely constitute an arrest. The offer to remove the handcuffs only if the detained subject would allow the police to shoot him if they feel threatened in any manner would be lunacy on the part of the officer making the offer, again if the story is spot on. <br /><br />Note I am not doubting your honesty when I say if the story is correct, I just like to hear both sides and as much information as is available before making a final conclusion be ause there is indeed another side to this story. probably a far fetched one at that from the way it sounds though.<br /><br />All the best,<br />Glenn BGlenn Bhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16677859688487279914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-14918740123455066202012-09-27T17:21:41.388-06:002012-09-27T17:21:41.388-06:00Speaking of out of control police and the police s...Speaking of out of control police and the police state, check out the latest speech by Trentadue about his brother's "suicide" and the subsequent coverup that led to Trentadue discovering PATCON. Not a surprise to see a link to Eric Holder and gun running out of AZ as part of PATCON. Or a link to Eric Holder muzzling Senator Hatch after his planned investigation into the "suicide."<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2fk3sk13pgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-14303689491905336972012-09-27T16:58:19.118-06:002012-09-27T16:58:19.118-06:00Depends on the pig...er, I mean cop. Some of them ...Depends on the pig...er, I mean cop. Some of them are actually MEN.<br /> Seem to be getting real scarce tho...droneboyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04604213556684665051noreply@blogger.com