tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post7876324396486157134..comments2017-04-13T04:47:21.148-06:00Comments on Pro Libertate: "You Know How to Leave": Scenes from a Police Riot in Idaho Falls William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-81420491439295890352014-07-09T23:57:54.309-06:002014-07-09T23:57:54.309-06:00This 24 year old is my brother. Before you start ...This 24 year old is my brother. Before you start talking about what happened you should know what the hell you are talking about. My brother is not "tatted" up. He is the nicest person you will ever meet. He would never intentionally hurt anything or anyone. My brother has a serious brain condition now, thanks to Victor. That hit to the head was meant for more than to just hurt him. My brother declined medical care at the time because he didnt even remember what happened, his name, or his own family. That dog was going to get hit sooner or later for always being in the street. If Victor cared enough for the dog he would have put him on a leash. My brother is going to suffer for the rest of his life, all because of a little chiwawa dog. Its sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-83003198400832878282014-07-08T21:07:29.728-06:002014-07-08T21:07:29.728-06:00According to witnesses, the "accident" w...According to witnesses, the "accident" was the result of either recklessness or deliberate malice, and the "apology" consisted of a racial slur and a challenge. <br /><br />On their account, this "kid" is a tatted-up, foul-mouthed young man who is notorious for speeding in residential areas and actually accelerated to hit the family dog, which was killed in front of Victor's daughters. Rather than being contrite, he was hostile and flung an epithet in Victor's face. After Victor punched him, the kid reportedly declined medical care on the scene. <br /><br />I don't consider a punch to be a proper reply to an insult. It's doubtful that an aggravated assault charge is going to stick. Even if it did, this would hardly be retroactive justification for the criminal behavior of Chief McBride's costumed simians. William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-12472772123552113342014-07-08T18:02:29.248-06:002014-07-08T18:02:29.248-06:00Maybe you should check out his latest exploits wit...Maybe you should check out his latest exploits with the police. Suckerpunching a 24 year old less then half his size, causing bleeding on the brain, after the boy hit his dog and pulled over to apologize. Sounds like a menace to society to me...Matt Rhoadeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04827563482699206822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-40894680020316815452014-02-26T14:40:04.108-07:002014-02-26T14:40:04.108-07:00Lucky for me, I'm white and I grew up in Idaho...Lucky for me, I'm white and I grew up in Idaho, so I never have had to deal with this kind of crap personally. However, I do embrace punk rock culture, meaning I dress like a punk, look like a punk, and act like a punk, and so I've had my own share of crap from IFPD myself (apparently the way I dress and act makes me a suspicious individual, which warrants some harassment). I've never had to deal with anything this bad, but I'm 22 now, and by now I can honestly say that I have no love for, and no trust in, the IFPD. I don't think I would ever call them for anything to be honest, because I get the feeling that it would only come back against me or some other innocent person. I would like to know, we're supposed to call the police when normal citizens are trying to screw us over, who are we supposed to call when its the cops who are screwing us over?The Princenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-73393226453601602342013-09-26T13:59:31.123-06:002013-09-26T13:59:31.123-06:00Ignorance of the law is part of the problem here.
...<i>Ignorance of the law is part of the problem here.</i><br /><br />On this point, we are very much agreed -- as we are about this:<br /><br /><i>...based on Officer Lund's statements & actions he was really wanting to arrest someone that night. One thing I find odd is why the other officers just stood there when Lund said he was leaving. Why did they not also turn to leave, they remained on scene as if they were waiting for him to return.</i><br /><br />It's also worth asking why three police officers were sent to answer a noise complaint -- something that could be addressed by one officer knocking on the front door. I'm persuaded that the intent to arrest someone -- most likely Victor -- existed before the police trespassed onto his family's property (about which more anon), and that the objective was to create a pretext for that arrest.<br /><br /><i>So, instead of knocking on the front door, the police go straight to the source, the backyard, which is NOT illegal for them to do so.</i><br /><br />Unless they're executing a warrant, making a felony arrest, or acting in exigent circumstances, it certainly <i>was</i> illegal for them to enter the Madrgial family's home or the curtilage thereof. (Most federal case law dealing with curtilage specifies that warrantless entry into a backyard is permissible only if officers have knocked on the front door and not gotten a response.)<br /><br />The illegality of the IFPD's intrusion on the Madrigal property is underscored by one element of the Idaho State Supreme Court's otherwise horrible ruling in State v. Lusby (2008)--<br /><br />http://caselaw.findlaw.com/id-court-of-appeals/1385111.html<br /><br />That ruling dealt with a case very similar to the Madrigals', in which officers were investigating a "disturbance" between Ms. Lusby and a neighbor. Lusby, angry and disgusted, ended the contact with the officer and went into her home. The officer barged into the apartment and "arrested" her for "resisting and obstructing" -- and subsequently found a marijuana pipe.<br /><br />Both the trial court and the state supreme court ruled that the entry was unlawful. The supreme court, however, insisted that Lusby's resistance included an alleged act of "battery" against the intruder, and that this retroactively justified the otherwise unlawful entry. <br /><br />I suspect, but cannot (yet) prove, that cops in Idaho, post-Lusby, have been trained to provoke "resistance" as a way of validating unlawful entry onto private property. That would certainly explain the behavior of Lund and his buddies at the Madrigal home. <br /><br />One additional point regarding "investigative contact":<br /><br />In the case of Rita Hutchens in Sandpoint, Ms. Hutchens was accosted by an officer on her own property. The officer kept trying to induce Rita to step to a public sidewalk. Rita refused, and turned away -- and the officer reached out and threw Rita to the ground, eventually arresting her for "resisting and obstructing."<br /><br />The trial judge threw that charge out, ruling that when Rita turned to leave, the investigative contact was over, despite the physical presence of the officer nearby.William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-59107303462656585382013-09-26T11:28:09.850-06:002013-09-26T11:28:09.850-06:00It's 10:49PM and officers arrive on scene for ...It's 10:49PM and officers arrive on scene for a noise complaint. It's obviously noisy because they can hear people talking and music coming from the back yard. So, instead of knocking on the front door, the police go straight to the source, the backyard, which is NOT illegal for them to do so. Ignorance of the law is part of the problem here. Investigative contact is not over until the officers have physically left.<br /><br />But, based on Officer Lund's statements & actions he was really wanting to arrest someone that night. One thing I find odd is why the other officers just stood there when Lund said he was leaving. Why did they not also turn to leave, they remained on scene as if they were waiting for him to return.Tim Buckhttp://whatreallyhappened.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-42769545467771522462013-09-26T07:31:05.999-06:002013-09-26T07:31:05.999-06:00"By any rational perception, that's a fai..."<i>By any rational perception, that's a failure for which the police bear full responsibility.</i>"<br /><br />True, but, judging by his defense of the indefensible, you are talking to a <a href="http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2010/tle599-20101212-02.html" rel="nofollow">copsucker</a>, so there's not going to be any rational perception involved.Kent McManigalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05005964583189815410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-82835058322465690252013-09-26T06:51:12.484-06:002013-09-26T06:51:12.484-06:00The tasering was due to getting in the way of an a...<i>The tasering was due to getting in the way of an arrest, obstruction.</i><br /><br />The only people who "obstructed" Lund as he barged into the home without cause or warrant (after he and two others had illegally entered the backyard in the same fashion) were Letty Hernandez and her unborn child. Dindo Madrigal was nowhere near Lund when he was tasered in the back.<br /><br /><i>By all means, in the cop's mind is the suspect is going inside to get a gun to shoot me!</i><br /><br />This is probably true, but both morally and legally irrelevant -- true, because cops in general labor under a cultivated sense of paranoia, and Lund in particular was doing everything he could to exacerbate this needless confrontation; legally irrelevant, because at the time Lund tried to arrest Victor, the noise complaint had been dealt with, the Madrigals were cooperative (including Victor, who was getting his ID), and Lund had already announced, "I'm going" -- which meant that the investigative contact was over.<br /><br /><i>So, everyone needs to understand that you can't run inside a home when dealing with police officers just outside.</i><br /><br />Actually, police officers need to understand that they cannot simply walk onto private property without a warrant, consent, or probable cause. <br /><br />From the moment this episode began, the police were unlawful intruders and should have been dealt with accordingly -- that is, ordered off the property and told to come back with a warrant.<br /><br />Additionally, it's important to underscore the fact that the Madrigals were cooperating at the tine Lund announced that he was going. How could Victor have cooperated with the demand for his driver's license (which wasn't legally required of him anyway) without going into the house to get his ID? <br /><br />If the "problem" was noise, it could have been solved by having one officer knock at the front door and inform the adult who answered that a neighbor had complained. That contact would have lasted perhaps a minute or so. Instead, the police trespassed onto the property and precipitated a needlessly confrontational contact that developed into a full-scale police riot that disrupted an entire neighborhood.<br /><br />By any rational perception, that's a failure for which the police bear full responsibility. William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-83625276245986732132013-09-25T22:21:46.080-06:002013-09-25T22:21:46.080-06:00Did we watch the same video? There was a noise co...Did we watch the same video? There was a noise complaint which continued even further while the officers were on scene! If they would've shut up & took their child's birthday party for the adults inside the arrest would've never happened. The tasering was due to getting in the way of an arrest, obstruction. By all means, in the cop's mind is the suspect is going inside to get a gun to shoot me! So, everyone needs to understand that you can't run inside a home when dealing with police officers just outside.<br /><br />Furthermore, why did she allow the rest of the police officers to remain inside her home? After her husband and brother-in-law were handcuffed and escorted out, she should've went outside with the rest of the police officers while her party guests remained inside QUIETLY. After all, it was 11:00 at night!!!Tim Buckhttp://whatreallyhappened.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-23103322281700546692013-09-25T11:56:32.272-06:002013-09-25T11:56:32.272-06:00Amerika, the fundamentally changed America under O...Amerika, the fundamentally changed America under Obama, is now a Police State with Detention Centers, armored vehicles, indefinite detention and no trial, purchase of 5 bullets for every citizen by "Homeland Security"... And people will keep electing those that make this possible! The sheep want more!! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-86129779891475991152013-09-21T22:28:05.690-06:002013-09-21T22:28:05.690-06:00I WISH I had the money to go to The Dominican Repu...I WISH I had the money to go to The Dominican Republic. ...Or Chile. ...Or maybe even Mexico?<br /><br />Instead I'm going to donate some, but I don't want to use a credit card. Does ProLibertate have a P.O. box or something I can send a few bucks to?<br /><br />- IndividualAudienceMemberAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-46113106022090859132013-09-21T09:13:49.356-06:002013-09-21T09:13:49.356-06:00Anon at 3:08
You are right,
The Dominican Republ...Anon at 3:08<br /><br />You are right,<br /><br />The Dominican Republic sounds like a lot better place to be. <br /><br />as far as new passports go, it sounds relatively quick and cheap to get in there.<br />http://tdvpassports.com/dominicanrepublic/<br /><br />Keithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-68527267545271931772013-09-21T03:08:44.426-06:002013-09-21T03:08:44.426-06:00I hate to say it, but he should go back to the Dom...I hate to say it, but he should go back to the Dominican Republic. This country has gone so far to he'll, him and his family would be safer there than in this crooked backwards America. I've had as much as I can take of this place and even I am getting ready to move out of America.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-63897719180119634412013-09-20T09:06:29.715-06:002013-09-20T09:06:29.715-06:00Clark Lund goes on the Liberty Offender registry.
...Clark Lund goes on the Liberty Offender registry.<br /><br />Cops are brutal cowards. They need to not be able to go home at the end of their shift anytime they behave in this way. The first offense should be their last.Kent McManigalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05005964583189815410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-7515341891446711542013-09-20T08:38:07.750-06:002013-09-20T08:38:07.750-06:00Oh, how I long for the day when the entire neighbo...Oh, how I long for the day when the entire neighborhood unloads on these thugs with their weapons and absolutely obliterates them in a cloud of gun smoke.<br /><br />Maybe then they will be too afraid to put on their uniforms, or even have the balls to come to 'work'.Cedric Wardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-41729593182834182302013-09-19T15:03:24.932-06:002013-09-19T15:03:24.932-06:00wow, shove an old lady. these guys must have som...wow, shove an old lady. these guys must have some DEEP seated insecurities.<br /><br />the cops are really making it easy to dismiss their jackboot thuggery when they cite children's birthday parties as "disturbances". <br /><br />sadly, we expect such disrespect. sadly, we tolerate it as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1754433399869993972013-09-19T14:15:55.942-06:002013-09-19T14:15:55.942-06:00Further to Scott's comment,
There was once a...Further to Scott's comment, <br /><br />There was once a time when both parents didn't need to work two jobs each in order to pay around half of what they earned to fill the trough fill the ever increasing herds of tax guzzlers.<br /><br />There was a time when people didn't have their attempts at saving for their own and their family's future robbed from them by money printing, to bail out the parasitic class' favoured cronies.<br /><br />There was a time when people weren't fed a daily diet of the Hobbesian myth, in hourly and half hourly installments - the myth that their families friends and neighbours (no to mention those who "aren't from round these parts") are a constant threat to their safety, and full time specialists in thuggery are needed to protect them from those who would otherwise be their community and support network, but whom they are persuaded not to use their few remaining free hours to get to know.<br /><br /><br /><br />Keithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-13856608773694707402013-09-18T23:45:33.466-06:002013-09-18T23:45:33.466-06:00That was *some* video.
It was sickening reading t...That was *some* video.<br /><br />It was sickening reading the cop defenders comments on the YouTube website.<br /><br />The sad part is, that happens every single day.<br /><br />The Moon is Down.<br /><br />- IndividualAudienceMember<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-28000578364344627312013-09-18T15:03:17.100-06:002013-09-18T15:03:17.100-06:00How do we know that any neighbor actually made a r...How do we know that any neighbor actually made a report? Will says that the cops were routinely harassing Victor.Jerri Lynn Wardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-23409202036854809362013-09-18T12:39:49.080-06:002013-09-18T12:39:49.080-06:00Will,
Thank you as always for the work that you d...Will,<br /><br />Thank you as always for the work that you do. Please please post an update to this story when (hopefully) the charges are dropped. (And hopefully) they sue the police dept... (and hopefully) several of the criminal pigs get hit by a bus.joycenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-11649042173625661642013-09-18T10:40:12.623-06:002013-09-18T10:40:12.623-06:00What about the more distant neighbor who made the ...What about the more distant neighbor who made the complaint?<br /><br />Part of the problem here is that we've all just accepted that there's an appropriate govt agent who'll deal with stuff like this.<br /><br />I imagine there was a time when people handled things like this face to face, as individuals; no third-party intervention required; a time when we knew our neighbors better; a better time.Scotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02901267157498166598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-2801619761877223702013-09-18T09:15:49.420-06:002013-09-18T09:15:49.420-06:00RE: Anonymous
Except most Americans are state-wor...RE: Anonymous<br /><br />Except most Americans are state-worshipping cowards who always give the cops the benefit of the doubt. As long as they have the pubic on they're side, politically (and legally) the police will be able to keep getting away with their crimes.non de guerrehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04336760586691062775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-63476689527743929852013-09-18T07:25:50.639-06:002013-09-18T07:25:50.639-06:00Kirk, I agree with your comments with exception to...Kirk, I agree with your comments with exception to being at their mercy. Those of us who have had enough of cops' criminal conduct outnumber and outgun them by several orders of magnitude and the numbers are growing. Eventually these swine will pick a fight with people who do not cower like sheeple and the call to arms for all of us will be impossible to ignore.<br /><br />jkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-16635223920119094012013-09-18T05:38:54.141-06:002013-09-18T05:38:54.141-06:00let's face reality: cops and their actions rev...let's face reality: cops and their actions reveal that cops have become an occupation force.<br /><br />when things worsen economically and financially, as it will, we will all be at the mercy of the occupation force. given the nature of many of the costumed brutes feeding at the tax trough, they will then reveal their true natures - quislings who have sold out to the power structure and sadists who really like their jobs harming people.<br /><br />be prepared for the onslaught as things worsen and the dogs of hatred, currently barely muzzled, are set loose on us.kirknoreply@blogger.com