tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post7866894610289587961..comments2017-04-13T04:47:21.148-06:00Comments on Pro Libertate: An American "Yezhovschina"?William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-57114369571270533832009-06-26T11:59:29.952-06:002009-06-26T11:59:29.952-06:00"In 1935, an individual best described as fiv..."In 1935, an individual best described as five feet of feculent malice added another key element to the Soviet formula for institutionalized terror. A foul, vulgar little creature named Nikolai Yezhov, an intimate associate of Stalin, wrote a pseudo-academic paper contending that any form of political opposition should be treated as incipient terrorism."<br /><br />For the historical record, Janet Napolitano is five feet, seven inches tall.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-16020474793773668462009-06-26T00:06:28.651-06:002009-06-26T00:06:28.651-06:00MoT: Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Iran.
I&#...<b>MoT: </b><i>Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan, <b>and now Iran</b>.</i><br /><br />I'm not so sure about that. Of course the chicken hawks are drooling at the prospect of charging in to save the day, but the vast majority of politically active people hanging out on the internet watching it all unfold have reached a very mature conclusion, even though their hearts break to reach out and help these people: this is the Iranians' fight. They are in charge of their own future and the future of their country. <br /><br />McCain, Graham and Lieberman have just announced their intentions to propose legislation to authorize our government to take actions to keep the lines of communication open for the Iranian protesters, to boost radio signals and enhance cell phone reception, and maintain some sort of internet connectivity for them by methods not yet proposed. As much as we on the internet have done to help the Iranians try to communicate their plight to the world, and as frustrating as our personal limitations are in those efforts, the vast majority of us recognize that any official government action in this regard would be disastrous for the Iranians and for us. <br /><br />This concession by average Americans is just one aspect of the awakening I've seen across the internet that nurtures hope for our own future. I am still hoping that Will stumbles upon enough time to consider these reactions by the internet community and eventually post his thoughts about them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-20271508079269280832009-06-26T00:04:02.614-06:002009-06-26T00:04:02.614-06:00MoT: This nation, THIS NATION, kills thousands, or...<b>MoT: </b><i>This nation, THIS NATION, kills thousands, or aids those that do, displaces millions, and the news is put through a BRITA filter of censorship before seeing the light of day, if at all.</i><br /><br />While that's not the point of this conversation, it's important to note that many people here in America are recognizing the hypocrisy of the actions of our government/military, and the blatant media biases, through their unfiltered internet exposure to Iranian protesters. Did you miss my earlier post in which I stated the conversations we're having online include identifying parallels to our own situation? In the forums I inhabit alone, several self-avowed gun grabbing liberals have publicly changed their stances on the 2nd Amendment. This can only be a good thing.<br /><br />During one of his recent press briefings, Obama was chiding Ahmadenijad for suppressing eyewitness accounts of the crackdown violence against the protesters and Helen Thomas, bless her little heart, immediately asked him in that same spirit if he'd be releasing the torture photos. This brief exchange made the rounds on the internet and was discussed at length, but not one peep out of the media.<br /><br /><b>MoT: </b><i>through this meddling may well have brought about the deaths of those people</i><br /><br />Suddenly you're not a proponent of personal responsibility? These people stood up fully aware that they may not make it home each day. If they die in these protests, they die at the hands of their own oppressors. Let me share an excerpt from a young Iranian student's blog:<br /><br /><i>"I will participate in the demonstrations tomorrow. Maybe they will turn violent. Maybe I will be one of the people who is going to get killed. I'm listening to all my favorite music. I even want to dance to a few songs. I always wanted to have very narrow eyebrows. Yes, maybe I will go to the salon before I go tomorrow! There are a few great movie scenes that I also have to see. I should drop by the library, too. It's worth to read the poems of Forough and Shamloo again. All family pictures have to be reviewed, too. I have to call my friends as well to say goodbye. All I have are two bookshelves which I told my family who should receive them. I'm two units away from getting my bachelors degree but who cares about that. My mind is very chaotic. I wrote these random sentences for the next generation so they know we were not just emotional and under peer pressure. So they know that we did everything we could to create a better future for them. So they know that our ancestors surrendered to Arabs and Mongols but did not surrender to despotism. This note is dedicated to tomorrow's children..." </i> (<a href="http://niacblog.wordpress.com/2009/06/19/live-blogging-fridays-events-in-iran/" rel="nofollow">translated link</a>, scroll to 3:09 pm)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-61419784988245860602009-06-25T20:12:52.815-06:002009-06-25T20:12:52.815-06:00MoT: This nation, THIS NATION, kills thousands, or...<b>MoT: </b><i>This nation, THIS NATION, kills thousands, or aids those that do, displaces millions, and the news is put through a BRITA filter of censorship before seeing the light of day, if at all.</i><br /><br />While that's not the point of this conversation, it's important to note that many people here in America are recognizing the hypocrisy both the actions of our government/military, and the blatant media biases, through their unfiltered exposure to Iranian protesters. Did you miss my earlier post in which I stated the conversations we're having online include identifying parallels to our own situation? In the forums I inhabit alone, several self-avowed gun grabbing liberals have publicly changed their stances on the 2nd Amendment.<br /><br />During one of his recent press briefings, Obama was chiding Ahmadenejad for suppressing eyewitness accounts of the crackdown violence against the protesters and Helen Thomas, bless her little heart, immediately asked him in that same spirit if he'd be releasing the torture photos. <br /><br /><b>MoT: </b><i>through this meddling may well have brought about the deaths of those people</i><br /><br />Suddenly you're not a proponent of personal responsibility? These people stood up fully aware that they may not make it home each day. If they die in these protests, they die at the hands of their own oppressors. Let me share an excerpt from a young Iranian student's blog:<br /><i>I will participate in the demonstrations tomorrow. Maybe they will turn violent. Maybe I will be one of the people who is going to get killed. I'm listening to all my favorite music. I even want to dance to a few songs. I always wanted to have very narrow eyebrows. Yes, maybe I will go to the salon before I go tomorrow! There are a few great movie scenes that I also have to see. I should drop by the library, too. It's worth to read the poems of Forough and Shamloo again. All family pictures have to be reviewed, too. I have to call my friends as well to say goodbye. All I have are two bookshelves which I told my family who should receive them. I'm two units away from getting my bachelors degree but who cares about that. My mind is very chaotic. I wrote these random sentences for the next generation so they know we were not just emotional and under peer pressure. So they know that we did everything we could to create a better future for them. So they know that our ancestors surrendered to Arabs and Mongols but did not surrender to despotism. This note is dedicated to tomorrow's children..." </i><br /><br /><b>MoT: </b><i>Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Iran.</i><br /><br />I'm not so sure about that. Of course the chicken hawks are drooling at the prospect of charging in to save the day, but the vast majority of politically active people hanging out on the internet watching it all unfold have reached a very mature decision, even though their hearts break to reach out and help these people: this is the Iranians' fight. They are in charge of their own future and the future of their country. This concession is an aspect of the awakening I've seen across the internet that nurtures hope for our own future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-62787191820031907102009-06-25T19:13:48.702-06:002009-06-25T19:13:48.702-06:00This nation, THIS NATION, kills thousands, or aids...<i>This nation, THIS NATION, kills thousands, or aids those that do, displaces millions, and the news is put through a BRITA filter of censorship before seeing the light of day, if at all. Where are the lapdog media and internet armchair pundits with their nightly, and highly advertised, prime time foam flecked denunciations of decapitated men women and children blown to bits with OUR hardware? With money stolen from us to do it. Curiously and hypocritically silent.</i><br /><br />MoT, I agree with you in those respects. The hypocrisy of our government's posturing and the media lapdogs is astounding. That's not the point of this particular conversation.<br /><br /><i>What the hell...!!! They take 400 million of OUR money to assassinate and destabilize another country and you say it doesn't "matter"!!! That good old uncle Sammy only has the best of intentions in the depths of his cancerous heart by stirring the pot and coincidentally through this meddling may well have brought about the deaths of those people...! Are you insane?</i><br /><br />No I'm not insane. I never supported the funneling of our tax dollars into covert destabilization operations, and never will. I said it doesn't matter <b>now</b> that it likely transpired, because the situation in Iran has grown beyond a measely $400 m worth of damage, and hopefully will continue to grow beyond it to eventually render Iran a more powerful nation that is more resistant to such interference. We can't get the money back, and we can't change what they did with it, therefore it does not matter. Personally I'd rather dazzle them with the wonders of the free market and let them choose their own resultant paths. But if a government (ours) were to overtly dangle free markets in their faces, they're no longer free markets are they?<br /><br /><i>Says who? And how do you KNOW for a fact that anything you see are the FACTS at all? American or British network news channels never lie? They lie and distort all the time. It's job ONE. Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Iran.</i><br /><br />I'm about as sure of the facts as I view them in this situation as you are. What part my statement that our reactions are a product of the unfiltered internet did you not comprehend? The media has been a very poor source of information for about 2 decades now, or more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-66308531849531878602009-06-25T17:42:15.872-06:002009-06-25T17:42:15.872-06:00This nation, THIS NATION, kills thousands, or aids...This nation, THIS NATION, kills thousands, or aids those that do, displaces millions, and the news is put through a BRITA filter of censorship before seeing the light of day, if at all. Where are the lapdog media and internet armchair pundits with their nightly, and highly advertised, prime time foam flecked denunciations of decapitated men women and children blown to bits with OUR hardware? With money stolen from us to do it. Curiously and hypocritically silent.<br /><br /><i> additionally, it does not matter now whether our government sowed these seeds of unrest, as I suspect it did, and suspect it's not exactly what our government had in mind by doing so....</i><br /><br />What the hell...!!! They take 400 million of OUR money to assassinate and destabilize another country and you say it doesn't "matter"!!! That good old uncle Sammy only has the best of intentions in the depths of his cancerous heart by stirring the pot and coincidentally through this meddling may well have brought about the deaths of those people...! Are you insane?<br /><br /><i> What matters now is that the people of Iran grew into a larger force on its own to stand up to its own government in pursuit of self-determination as a nation. </i><br /><br />Says who? And how do you KNOW for a fact that anything you see are the FACTS at all? American or British network news channels never lie? They lie and distort all the time. It's job ONE. Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Iran.MoThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13996714804361467430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-77394187633736971342009-06-25T13:53:54.073-06:002009-06-25T13:53:54.073-06:00MoT, I don't think you understand what I'm...MoT, I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say. Mousavi is THEIR candidate, chosen for their own reasons, and THEY rose up to dispute the official results of the election.<br /><br />Nobody cares about Mousavi's past. They (initially) cared about the promises he made for the future, including more respect for civil liberties among their citizens.<br /><br />Then upon the violent suppression of their protests by their own government it became a different fight altogether.<br /><br />Further, this is not a wag-the-dog situation foisted upon us by the media. It took the media a full WEEK to wake up to the fact that the news they were reporting initially was grossly biased in favor of the regime. Our reaction to the protests began and remains a product of the unfettered, unfiltered internet.<br /><br />Additionally, it does not matter now whether our government sowed these seeds of unrest, as I suspect it did, and suspect it's not exactly what our government had in mind by doing so. What matters now is that the people of Iran grew into a larger force on its own to stand up to its own government in pursuit of self-determination as a nation. <br /><br />The questions I posed to Will were an attempt to focus on the reactions to this uprising by the American internet community, wondering whether he recognized a new sliver of hope for our own future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-33643282579263225112009-06-25T03:33:50.981-06:002009-06-25T03:33:50.981-06:00All of this touchy-feeling concern for the campaig...All of this touchy-feeling concern for the campaign of Mousavi and the "stolen" election is quite absurd!<br /><br />The man is reportedly one of the key figures that wanted Iran to move forward with its nuclear program (remember... the BAD thing we keep hammering them with all the time) and likely a key figure in bombing attacks in Lebanon and elsewhere in the 80's... Remember the marine barracks? So before you cry any more Argentinian tears for the wag the dog circus being produced for you on TeeVee it would be best to take pause and THINK!MoThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13996714804361467430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-72416004225883697972009-06-24T03:58:26.445-06:002009-06-24T03:58:26.445-06:00Thanks for your reply. I was curious if you'd ...Thanks for your reply. I was curious if you'd paid any attention to the reactions of average Americans camped out on the internet for well over a week now cheering on the protesters, doing everything they can within their limited abilities to help them accomplish their goals. Everything from setting up proxies to help them get around internet clamp downs so accurate information can get out, to providing information about such things as bomb making and chemical agent antidotes. <br /><br />Of all the analysis I've seen in the media regarding the role the internet has played in this situation, none captured or discussed this shared freedom-fighting kinship many Americans have suddenly developed with the Iranian protesters. <br /><br />I was wondering to what extent you were aware of these activities, and if you saw any hope in them for our own sakes.<br /><br />In several internet communities where this support is being expressed, discussions have run the gamut identifying parallels between the two nations, from the allegedly stolen presidential elections of 2000 and 2004, to the alleged ACORN voter fraud in 2008, to references to Kent State violence, the mass arrests at the 2004 RNC convention in NYC to the every day thuggery of local law enforcement.<br /><br />In the last week I've seen a rather bold awakening of the freedom fighting spirit in these people and can't help but wonder if the Iranian protesters will turn out to be a surprising new source of inspiration for many of us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-63353847447257282712009-06-24T00:45:43.979-06:002009-06-24T00:45:43.979-06:00Anonymous -- thanks for the very generous comments...Anonymous -- thanks for the very generous comments. <br /><br />I've been following developments in Iran to the extent that I can, and have commented about them in radio interviews but not yet in print.<br /><br />I find myself torn between admiration for the obvious and genuine courage of freedom-seeking Iranians, on the one hand, and disgust over the efforts by U.S. image-manipulators to frame what's happening in Tehran in terms that make overt intervention in that nation's affairs likely. Hey, that's a <i>great</i> idea, 'specially after it turned out so well last time....<br /><br />Mousavi may be a genuine reformer, but he's not the type of person likely to move Iran in a Madisonian direction were he to prevail. And there's some evidence that the CIA, NED (National Endowment for Democracy), and other assets of Washington's nation-breaking apparatus are at work in Iran, as well. So while I'm inspired by at least some of what's taking place I'm not optimistic about the likely outcome.William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-11022236667828637022009-06-24T00:32:48.580-06:002009-06-24T00:32:48.580-06:00Will,
I just want to say I'm an avid reader of...Will,<br />I just want to say I'm an avid reader of your blogs and have been for several years. You and your writings are very appreciated.<br /><br />Have you by chance been following the Iranian uprising, more specifically the way internet-savvy Americans have adopted the Iranian protesters as their new freedom-fighting heroes?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-28994500405096705222009-06-23T08:42:25.045-06:002009-06-23T08:42:25.045-06:00"Don't gas me, bro!"
That's a g...<i>"Don't gas me, bro!"</i><br /><br />That's a good one. You should get the t-shirts made up ahead of time.isaac stanfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05315287677097105667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-24322141812795242962009-06-22T04:22:56.333-06:002009-06-22T04:22:56.333-06:00That picture creeps me out. The similarities are ...That picture creeps me out. The similarities are a tad disturbing.<br /><br />In reference to Isaacs comment:<br /><br /><i>..."Hey, don't put me on that train to the detention camp, I want to revisit the argument about state power!"</i><br /><br />My twisted inner humor imagines the day will come when people will be saying...<br /><br />"Don't gas me, bro!"MoThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13996714804361467430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-75668249246573800212009-06-20T17:33:56.797-06:002009-06-20T17:33:56.797-06:00Dear Anonymous,
Do you consider yourself a lefti...Dear Anonymous, <br /><br />Do you consider yourself a leftist? Adolf Hitler was NO conservative. He and his fellow National Socialists were men of the left.Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16565620274260288512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-53388499445080859592009-06-20T11:53:43.189-06:002009-06-20T11:53:43.189-06:00I couldn't agree more with Isaac's comment...I couldn't agree more with Isaac's comment. One of the greatest allies a budding authoritarianism has is the widespread attitude that "it can't happen here". Solzhenitsyn likened the growth of the authoritarian State to a cancer, and the time to find and eliminate a cancer is early, before it can metastasize.The Omega Mannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-74610667630604123822009-06-20T10:19:01.421-06:002009-06-20T10:19:01.421-06:00"What does it say about the state of politica..."What does it say about the state of political discourse in this country when the party out of power (democrat or conservative) truly believes that the majority party wants to lock them up, or kill them?"<br /><br /><br />Again with the labels. I'm not a member of any party, but I fear those in power regardless of party. I don't think this fear can really be considered paranoia when the state issues documents demonizing large segments of the population (the majority, in fact) and painting everyone with the same broad brush. In fact, I'd say it's clear that there is a larger agenda being implemented that has nothing to do with party or with any real threat by this demonized segment of the population either to the people in general or to legitimate government.<br />Meanwhile, the inexorable march towards total state power continues full steam ahead regardless of which party is in power.<br /><br />R. CozineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-20011788493427485132009-06-19T19:56:30.998-06:002009-06-19T19:56:30.998-06:00Well, when the "collectivist state" star...<i>Well, when the "collectivist state" starts rounding people up and putting them in "re-education" camps, we can revisit this argument. But until then, I'd say it's a bit premature and paranoid.</i><br /><br />Won't that be a little late to revisit the argument? "Hey, don't put me on that train to the detention camp, I want to revisit the argument about state power!" Will mentioned a book called <i>The Black Book of Communism</i>. There is a method to the downhill slide from petty authoritarianism to full blown totalitarian mass murder. The same pattern is followed every time, and if people learn to recognize that pattern, there is a chance to prevent disaster. But if the machine gets a full head of steam, there is no dissent, no argument, no chance to calmly debate a demand like Commissar Erbe made.Isaachttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15711937017880450534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-30228766613379491232009-06-19T17:02:40.151-06:002009-06-19T17:02:40.151-06:00What does it say about the state of political disc...<i>What does it say about the state of political discourse in this country when the party out of power (democrat or conservative) truly believes that the majority party wants to lock them up, or kill them?</i><br /><br />That's a good and very perceptive question. <br /><br />Human beings generally compose threats out of their own fears, and the process seems to run in reverse as well. <br /><br />The situation you describe suggests to me that people in both dominant political factions understand, at some level, that the state has accumulated too much power, and believe we're in a zero-sum situation in which either faction, once in power, can all but annihilate the other. And that fear is not <i>entirely</i> without merit.<br /><br />Incidentally, Madison's principle of political self-defense -- we must "take alarm at the first experiment on [our] liberties" -- makes "paranoia" about government power little less than a civic obligationWilliam N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-59810053653333150342009-06-19T14:56:23.438-06:002009-06-19T14:56:23.438-06:00"Bottom line, in the last twenty years, can y..."Bottom line, in the last twenty years, can you list a SINGLE INSTANCE in the US where an avowed "liberal" shot someplace up with a rifle over politics?"<br /><br />No, individual American liberals don't shoot their ideological enemies. They just send them bombs through the mail and then issue fruitloop Marxist 'manifestos'. How quickly and thoroughly the media downplayed the Unibomber; how quickly the public forgets.<br /><br /><br />Besides, hateful leftists don't need to commit violence themselves. They have the State to do that for them. That's why Palestinian civilians are more likely to kill Israeli innocents than Israeli civilians are to kill Palestinian innocents--Israeli haters have the State to kill for them, Palestinian haters do not. The fact that our State often kills those who the Right hates is irrelevant to our violent Rightists; it's the <i>feeling</i> of disenfranchisement that motivates them.The Omega Mannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-91451388257001511842009-06-19T13:19:05.738-06:002009-06-19T13:19:05.738-06:00Anonymous 11:19AM you have a bad case of label-iti...Anonymous 11:19AM you have a bad case of label-itis. Hopefully Will's follow up comment will help to straighten out your thinking.<br />Were the tens of millions of people murdered by Lenin, Stalin, Hitler and Mao murdered by "left-wingers" or "right-wingers"? Does it even matter what we call them?<br />You write: "liberals don't shoot people who disagree with them", but the fact is that people who espouse what are usually regarded as "liberal" ideologies routinely use the coercive power of the state to murder people by the millions, often whether or not they disagree with them.<br /><br />R CozineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-49273262202791279872009-06-19T13:00:39.513-06:002009-06-19T13:00:39.513-06:00Well, when the "collectivist state" star...Well, when the "collectivist state" starts rounding people up and putting them in "re-education" camps, we can revisit this argument. But until then, I'd say it's a bit premature and paranoid.<br /><br />What does it say about the state of political discourse in this country when the party out of power (democrat or conservative) truly believes that the majority party wants to lock them up, or kill them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-36281064536626451592009-06-19T12:26:53.281-06:002009-06-19T12:26:53.281-06:00There is a lot of hate in politics. Mencken was ex...There is a lot of hate <i>in politics</i>. Mencken was exactly right when he said that politics is all about the incitement and mobilization of hatreds.<br /><br />People of whatever persuasion who seek to politicize life are propagating hatred and generally mobilizing it as well. <br /><br />That hatred takes tangible form in different ways; some people grab a gun and commit acts of personalized violence (I've not stinted in covering episodes involving "right-wingers" such as James Adkisson -- see http://www.lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w79.html). <br /><br />Others empower the state to carry out acts of collectivist violence, whether they take the form of the annihilation of the Branch Davidians or the subordination of others and the theft of their property through "law." Don't forget that everything the State does is backed by the implicit, and often overt, threat of lethal force. <br /><br />What logic is there in permitting eccentric violent acts of individual criminals to enhance the lethal power the State exercises over all of us?William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-67911629929880806702009-06-19T12:19:08.773-06:002009-06-19T12:19:08.773-06:00This is BS..
Bottom line, in the last twenty year...This is BS..<br /><br />Bottom line, in the last twenty years, can you list a SINGLE INSTANCE in the US where an avowed "liberal" shot someplace up with a rifle over politics?<br /><br />Anyone? Anyone? (crickets chirping)..<br /><br />That's the problem, Liberals don't shoot people who disagree with them. Many Many Many conservatives seem to think that it is OK to kill people who disagree with them. Seems like right-wingers are shooting people every week these days.<br /><br />The reason the right is so up in arms about the DHS talking about "right wing" terrorists, is because it hits close to home with a lot of people on the right who talk a lot of hate about people who don't agree with them.<br /><br />I usually love this site, very anti-authoritarian, very libertarian, but there is a lot of hate on the right, and the right is finally being called out on it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-27081041147763684232009-06-19T10:04:29.479-06:002009-06-19T10:04:29.479-06:00Methinks Ag Joe is on to something!Methinks Ag Joe is on to something!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-3951890037815021172009-06-18T21:19:01.798-06:002009-06-18T21:19:01.798-06:00A lot of the hate I've seen coming from everyd...A lot of the hate I've seen coming from everyday people on the left is brainwashing by the media leaving them as useful idiots. A classic example of this would be the deep unwarranted hate for Richard Nixon. Frankly speaking Nixon was an angle along side William Jefferson Clinton. What the big problem was with Nixon was, Nixon as a young congressman from CA blew the lid off of Alger Hiss and White. This was a huge black eye for our first Marxist president FDR. The left always said they would get even with Nixon for doing that. If anyone has any doughs about that just bring up Nixon to a liberal and watch them start foaming at the mouth and going off the deep end. It happens every single time, see for yourself. <br />The bottom line is much of this left wing hate is based in Marxist programing feed to people through the left leaning media. But what do I know.AvgJoenoreply@blogger.com