tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post6356862598923419559..comments2017-04-13T04:47:21.148-06:00Comments on Pro Libertate: Dismantling The Killer EliteWilliam N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-12317865463727395142009-03-21T12:35:00.000-06:002009-03-21T12:35:00.000-06:00Yes, no Fort Sumters.Two can keep a secret if one ...Yes, no Fort Sumters.<BR/><BR/>Two can keep a secret if one is dead.<BR/><BR/>It's only illegal if you get caught.<BR/>_________________<BR/><BR/>"Hypothetical: you walk into a room. your buddy is on the phone, giving up an operation. They have his<BR/>kids. he’s trying to lie so they won’t hurt the kids but they won’t catch you either.<BR/><BR/>you must shoot him in the face.<BR/><BR/>if you can’t, you were an idiot to get someone else involved.<BR/><BR/>if you can, you’re just evil.<BR/><BR/>work alone.<BR/><BR/>cellular structure is the last war. they have too many ways into the OODA loop. for the foreseeable<BR/>future we must be a nation of lone gunmen.<BR/><BR/>work alone. never stop. "<BR/>____________________Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-8805726036012824242009-03-19T12:38:00.000-06:002009-03-19T12:38:00.000-06:00to Anon at 7:17.no. it's never to late too state,...to Anon at 7:17.<BR/><BR/>no. it's never to late too state, restate, or even re-assert one's beliefs.<BR/><BR/>after all, if you don't know what you're willing to die for, you're not really living.<BR/><BR/>i agree that now is the time for action, but i'm far safer moving in God's timing instead of my own, or what other people's so-called timing might be.<BR/><BR/>take the book of Esther for instance. here you have a jewess, who is not supposed to marry a heathen, in the harem of an king/emperor who worshipped another god. God hid her there. while there, she kept close contact with mordecai (i don't thnk she revealed that she was a jewess either...another point!). she did what she was supposed to do while in the harem. she was there for at least a year just going through perfume treatment. then the king's queen screwed up and Esther became queen. what did Esther do while she was the queen?<BR/><BR/>"well Russ, she queen[ed]."<BR/><BR/>so there she sat for some time and then mordecai's adversary made his move to try to wipe out all the jews. did Esther run unto her king to stop this? nope. she went to mordecai and asked him to get all of the jews to pray for her, and she would fast and pray herself before she went unto the king to obtain his favor.<BR/><BR/>then one day, in God's timing, not her own, she went in unto the king and petitioned him to stop that slewfoot's (whose name i forget) decree to kill all of the jews (he had gotten the king to sign it, i know). the king heard her appeal, and granted her people a reprieve. basically, the king, IMO, signed one of those bills like congress submits and didn't think it all the way through. so the plan to wipe out the jews was stopped, the bad guy wound up hung from the gallows he had intended for mordecai, and all of his conspirators were wiped out by the jews by the king's decree.<BR/><BR/>i don't know about you, but i'm gonna sit back here and wait...and prepare, until God tells me to move.<BR/><BR/>be patient man!<BR/><BR/>if you move just one second too soon, or even one second too late...you could die. so wait for God to hike the football, or you'll be called off sides, or get slapped with encroachment. and in life, that could mean your pre-mature death. and i know God is all-mighty, but how effective do you think you will be if you're in jail?<BR/><BR/>rickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-55366401339268223282009-03-19T09:35:00.000-06:002009-03-19T09:35:00.000-06:00Anonymous @ 7:19: We should not cease speaking the...Anonymous @ 7:19: <BR/><BR/>We should not cease speaking the truth. There are still many, many statists who hold the idea that our rights are given by dead men who scrawled ink on a scrap of paper. There are still many, many people who believe that taxation is moral. That taking money and property from innocent individuals, at gunpoint, is moral. Such people are afflicted with the mental illness of Statism. It is, literally, insanity: not perceiving reality as it is. <BR/><BR/>I don't want such people acting at all, because they can't even orient their moral compasses.<BR/><BR/>Examine the tenets of the just war theory. (And excise the nonsense about "a legitimate authority." No such thing ever exists in a State.)<BR/><BR/>We are not called to commit suicide. <BR/><BR/>This is the time for the action of spreading the truth that the non-initiation of aggression, lived to its ultimate ends, is the only moral lifestyle. Hundreds of thousands, millions more people must believe in this basic human principle before any social progress can be made. Otherwise you'll end up having people simply putting <I>new</I> thugs in power. I don't want anyone put in positions of coercive power. But that is precisely what the Constitutional statists would accomplish if they had half a chance. <BR/><BR/>Action at this point must be limited to "evangelization" (to alleged Christians, ironically,) and to resistance in clear, present, and active violations of the life and liberty of individuals. (People getting brutalized by police, arrested for non-crimes, and people getting shot over 1/2'' of metal pipe on a firearm) and the like. <BR/><BR/>People don't act well unless they think well. They are not yet thinking well, so I don't want them acting. People will stand around, bleating like sheep as a herdmember is pulled down and Tasered until they realize that what the badgethugs are doing is horribly atrocious. Then, and only then, should they act. <BR/><BR/> -Sans AuthoritasSans Authoritasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-60060588193597950962009-03-19T08:17:00.000-06:002009-03-19T08:17:00.000-06:00Rick, Sans Authoritas, othersDon't you think it's ...Rick, Sans Authoritas, others<BR/><BR/>Don't you think it's a little late in the game to be philosophizing? At this point in time, it's safe to say that almost all libertarian philosophical and political thought, christian or not, has been hammered out quite extensively, and any further ventures into it can be equated to self-congratulatory mental masturbation. This is also the case if you understand free market economics yet regularly read articles, describing what you already know, from Mises Institute, lewrockwell.com, Reason.com, or any other related site. If, however, you don't quite understand it, or want a free market perspective to new and developing stories, that's different.<BR/><BR/>My point is that now is not the time to hammer out such thought. It's been done before. Now is the time for action.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-88904846221747957112009-03-19T00:40:00.000-06:002009-03-19T00:40:00.000-06:00Just read an article at another blog about a Penns...Just read an article at another blog about a Pennslyvania state trooper who killed a 33yr old motorist on St. Pats day. This same menace killed a 12 yr old boy in 2002. James Bond 007 license to kill going nationwide?freakfacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-33568993637163913472009-03-18T20:18:00.000-06:002009-03-18T20:18:00.000-06:00Rick @ 4 AM, dead-on accurate. -Sans...Rick @ 4 AM, dead-on accurate. <BR/><BR/> -Sans AuthoritasSans Authoritasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-16404448153643301762009-03-18T16:41:00.000-06:002009-03-18T16:41:00.000-06:00Look for Linda Thompson videos for an alternative ...Look for Linda Thompson videos for an alternative view of the Waco massacre. She was ran out of town after proposing a march on Washingtong 14-15yrs ago. The video shows agents going into second story window while another agent is outside blasting away where his comrades had just entered. The masses need to get over this doglike obedience to authority. Look back over history and you will see that life is improved for all by rebels. Like the rebels that founded this once great republic. I have a problem with authority myself but I do respect and fear the lord of lords, the king of kings.no respect for authoritaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-40798031381833215332009-03-18T13:31:00.000-06:002009-03-18T13:31:00.000-06:00Anon 10:49 - Congratulations (if that's the right ...Anon 10:49 - Congratulations (if that's the right term) for your success in the midst of economic adversity. I'd also like to point out that your quitting college might have been a wiser decision that you realize. As many of us are beginning to realize now, a realization that is being brutally forced upon the youngest current generation, a college diploma is NOT a ticket to or a guarantor of professional or financial success. In fact, given the deteriorating quality of higher "education" in this country, it is often an actual hindrance to the ability to produce anything useful in a free market. Your decision to apply your time and energy to productive endeavors is obviously bearing fruit. Now if only more of those in direct State thrall could see your example and follow it accordingly...liberranterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00555275410576294081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-10254305078538755942009-03-18T11:49:00.000-06:002009-03-18T11:49:00.000-06:00DD: Since quitting college and working in the priv...DD:<BR/> Since quitting college and working in the private sector, for the last two years, I have been laid off from two different jobs. In both cases I purposed to not take unemployment comp. and to not rely on any govt. handout or support of any sort. By God's grace I have succeeded in both instances. Since the last layoff I now have my own company that continues to generate income even in these tough times. My reason for mentioning this is to reaffirm the fact that we can survive without the State as our guardian and that the hardiness self sufficiency that was more common in the early 1900s is still around today (albeit in smaller pockets). I think you will find it most common in the rural regions of the West and even the far northern parts of New England.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-5891640709793143322009-03-18T10:22:00.000-06:002009-03-18T10:22:00.000-06:00There are a number of web sites that are done by f...There are a number of web sites that are done by firemen and police in NYC who believe that their friends and co-workers were murdered. <BR/>Murdered by September 11 2001 being an inside job. <BR/>Just something to throw in this topic as food for thought.AvgJoenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-78879147155983851482009-03-18T10:05:00.000-06:002009-03-18T10:05:00.000-06:00I just want to add that the Tea Parties planned in...I just want to add that the <A HREF="http://taxdayteaparty.com/" REL="nofollow">Tea Parties</A> planned in many states and localities are a hopeful sign, however.<BR/><BR/>In fact, as for me, I'm thinking of attending either the one in Richmond or Va. Beach on April 15th.dixiedoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09845646940134894119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-73270173397729047972009-03-18T08:04:00.000-06:002009-03-18T08:04:00.000-06:00Anonymous 4:00 AM(rick), I like your thinking. One...Anonymous 4:00 AM(rick), I like your thinking.<BR/><BR/> One should read Leonard Levy's Pulitzer Prize winning book, "Origins of the Fifth Amendment". This traces our origins outside of Roman law and shows that when William of Normandy conquered the english countryside, he found a system of community courts and tribunals in place, not unlike the system advocated by Jesus in Matthew 18.<BR/><BR/> Granted, it had evolved some strange practices through the centuries, but it was a community based legal system in which the enitre community participated, with judgements renderdd by people who knew the accused.<BR/><BR/> The "state" under the Normans, made use of this system, expanded under Henry I, which became our court system, along with jury trial.<BR/><BR/> Yale Law Professor Akhil Reed Amar writes that the founders probably intended a bicameral court system just like our bi cameral congress. Along with the senate and the house of representatives, we had a judge and jury to determine guilt and innocence by due process.Ralphhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03242043361089416030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-48553353862290416422009-03-18T07:53:00.000-06:002009-03-18T07:53:00.000-06:00That's why something as simple as a Ron Paul bumpe...<I>That's why something as simple as a Ron Paul bumper sticker is now considered an indicator of 'extremist tendencies' by law enforcement (there's a link on Strike-the-Root if you're not familiar with this development, though I'm sure you are).</I><BR/><BR/>He is and even <A HREF="http://www.prolibertate.us/index.php?blog=7&title=yet_another_citizen_terrorist_checklist__2009&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1" REL="nofollow">blogg'd</A> a short piece about it on his <A HREF="" REL="nofollow">Liberty Minutes</A>.<BR/><BR/>BTW, I concur with everything anonymous@8:13 PM said. The trash tube is REALLY the true bane of the brain. If I have to hear about how folk are becoming "addicted to the internet" one more time, my ears will wilt. Isn't it puzzling that "addicted to television" is never mentioned? (Hint: NO! They completely control <I>that</I> passive content-delivery machine).<BR/><BR/>I guess Will still manages to sit through and watch certain movies that come hither from Hollyweird and finds nibblets of poignant simile between the fictitious and the factual to expound upon in the blog later. However, one would have to usually wade through a tsunami of trash and depravity in the process. Perhaps, these examples were exceptions? Whatever the case, I don't watch anything that it produces anymore.<BR/><BR/>I did notice one thing right away. This piece may be a first for Will in that it ever so slightly begins to lament the hoard of commoners for their passive apathy and misguided belief in Leviathan as their <I>security</I> in both the physical and economic (>50% these days, BTW) sense. To view our predicament from a different perspective in addition to the tried and true one is refreshing ;).<BR/><BR/><I>One of the ironic blessings of a cataclysmic economic "correction" may be the widespread dismantling of state and local police departments -- <B>assuming, of course, that the vacuum can be filled with informal "citizen's posses" and "home guards" composed of armed, responsible property owners.</B></I> [emphasis mine]<BR/><BR/>Keep in mind, Will, modern America only remotely resembles the America of the (first) Great Depression era. Obviously, the physical <I>place</I> itself and the political boundaries are still largely intact, but the aggregate <I>people</I> are not of the same stock in terms of character, morality, hardiness, etc. Also, today's inhabitants of America, by and large, possess little to no "life" skills, certainly nothing approaching the levels possessed by Americans during the 1930s. Skills such as gardening, raising/slaughtering animals for meat, making ones own clothing, adequate building/carpentry skills, fixing/repairing ones own appliances, etc., etc.<BR/><BR/>A lot of this is, of course, due to the malignant growth of urbanization in America and folk becoming packed like sardines in metro areas where there's no immediate need for these kind of skills when there's not adequate space and most goods are obtained through "just-in-time" supply channels.<BR/><BR/>But the "life" skills aspect can be corrected relatively quickly and people can learn to do a lot of things when the pressure of life prompts it, but the internal makeup of the people themselves is harder to reshape, takes much longer to accomplish. People today are much more Leviathan-centric in their view of their security than the folk of yore. Dependency, the bane of all folk, which was virtually nonexistent before FDR's New Deal, is pandemic today.<BR/><BR/><I>As a homework assignment for those skeptical that such arrangements can work...</I><BR/><BR/>That said, yes, needless to say, I'm skeptical on the big picture, of that hardy scenario working (without chaos) in ANY setting other than modest communities, but I'm not without hope for the old America and perhaps a spiritual revival can take place.<BR/><BR/>After all, we're all dependents, it's just a matter of honestly answering the all important question of upon <I>whom</I> or <I>what</I> are we dependent?<BR/><BR/>Great piece as always, Will. And I'll add one of the best so far, IMHO.dixiedoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09845646940134894119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-86011808499525145892009-03-18T06:17:00.000-06:002009-03-18T06:17:00.000-06:00@ Qnunc the poster with the German soldiers holdin...@ Qnunc the poster with the German soldiers holding MP-40 Sub guns is from its-a-human-right www page a pro gun, pro self defense page. I would post a link but I'm not sure if blog admin allows that.old world chaosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-79787338471909009502009-03-18T05:00:00.000-06:002009-03-18T05:00:00.000-06:00Will,i've tried myself to figure out where the sta...Will,<BR/><BR/>i've tried myself to figure out where the state gets the authority it claims to possess whereas the people do not have this authority.<BR/><BR/>i start with God and He creating us in His image, and He only being able to put in us what was in Him. He created no man above another man. He gave no man the authority to tell another man what he could and could not own. He gave all free will. He told all to respect another man's free will/rights with respect to His laws.<BR/><BR/>and then somewhere along the way man foolishly creates the state, something He did not want. so the state gets its powers from the people. if i cannot do it, the state cannot do it. and then i get lost. <BR/><BR/>somewhere the state creates new powers for itself. its new powers did not come from the people because the people did not have the power. it did not come from God (whose son is Jesus Christ) because God cannot do some of the things the state claims it can do like forcing a person to testify or be thrown in jail (i could go on). it's too easy to blame the devil, too. i can only argue that man gave it to himself --lifted himself up. sounds like something lucifer tried to do and failed. speaking of 'him', he's probably laughing at how he has gotten us to turn on each other.<BR/><BR/><BR/>i've reached this conclusion, rather than have God rule over them (or in other words, rather than be free and individually responsible), the majority of men prefer to be a slave. man won't come out and admit it, but this is what he wants. he wants security in another man instead of security in God's hands...which means living by faith, instead of by another man's decree. and we wonder why God said He would destroy the planet.<BR/><BR/>on another note, did one of the BDs really have a hand grenade?<BR/><BR/>rickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-85243236492861999492009-03-18T04:07:00.000-06:002009-03-18T04:07:00.000-06:00A question for you fellow (in the eyes of the stat...A question for you fellow (in the eyes of the state) helots - when the stench of a police state mingles with the reek of a tax gulag would the mixture be be a polag?Marchttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05638073945201888881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-48751527973266336302009-03-17T21:13:00.000-06:002009-03-17T21:13:00.000-06:00Will,I have often thought on the the topic of what...Will,<BR/><BR/>I have often thought on the the topic of what I would label the most destructive items of my life time - and frequently I have to answer that it is the television. <BR/><BR/>It is the ultimate propaganda tool beamed into our homes 24/7. Don't misunderstand me, the true entertainment value if offers is considerable. But, like most things gov't regulated has become vacuous and corrupted beyond belief - which is why the internet has become such a threat.<BR/><BR/>When I was young, the westerns portrayed an image of truth and justice (that didn't exist even then). Now, it is mostly 'might makes right' and 'the ends justify the means'. This is liberally interspersed with the gov'ts official propaganda message in 'The News'.<BR/><BR/>People are lazy, they have no concept of a philosophical/moral concept, they don't read and they don't understand history's very real message. That's why something as simple as a Ron Paul bumper sticker is now considered an indicator of 'extremist tendencies' by law enforcement (there's a link on Strike-the-Root if you're not familiar with this development, though I'm sure you are).<BR/><BR/>As always . . .<BR/><BR/>Sic Semper TyrannisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-83010692923956586652009-03-17T20:46:00.000-06:002009-03-17T20:46:00.000-06:00Not to quibble, but several documentaries show the...Not to quibble, but several documentaries show the FBI machine gunning from a helicopter while the "compound" was ablaze. They were making sure the kids burned to death. Those guys are murdering scum, and if I were a surviving family member of one of the murder victims, well-you know. Snyder really nailed it. Of course the state calls them gun "buy-backs." Their propaganda can be slick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-5645387855099614122009-03-17T19:44:00.000-06:002009-03-17T19:44:00.000-06:00This is something else from the essay "So You Want...This is something else from the essay "So You Want to Marry a Female Cop?":<BR/><BR/><I>We are naturally suspicious. . . <B>We are taught from the very beginning that the world is a violent place and people want to hurt us.</B></I><BR/><BR/>Well, you know what? No, they don't. I'm so sick of their stupid childish martyrdom. Mommy, bad man hurt me! If people want to "hurt" <B>them,</B> why are the cops the ones doing all the chasing? Shouldn't that be the other way around?qnunchttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03276241501396117972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-41200565765073270862009-03-17T19:14:00.000-06:002009-03-17T19:14:00.000-06:00old world chaos @5:13What are you talking about?<B>old world chaos @5:13</B><BR/><BR/>What are you talking about?qnunchttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03276241501396117972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-88498863743138022992009-03-17T18:13:00.000-06:002009-03-17T18:13:00.000-06:00Allright an agitprop poster from it's a human righ...Allright an agitprop poster from it's a human right page. I saved all of those to irritate conservatives nazis in my family. They make great desktop wallpapers. The cops are the state sanctioned gang. Don't steal the government hates competition!old world chaosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-17058777674495474562009-03-17T17:16:00.000-06:002009-03-17T17:16:00.000-06:00'One of the ironic blessings of a cataclysmic econ...'One of the ironic blessings of a cataclysmic economic "correction" may be the widespread dismantling of state and local police departments.'<BR/><BR/>Actually, according to a story in today's Hackensack, N.J. Record, foreign wars are already having this effect. The Record says that of 3,000 N.J. National Guard members serving overseas, 300 of them are cops.<BR/><BR/>While we should perhaps be grateful for their willingness to serve (despite the foreign occupations being illegal and unconstitutional), I worry about how militarized law enforcement officers will treat civilians on their return. Will we be told, like Iraqi ragheads, to 'get out of the car,' or be shot if we don't?<BR/><BR/>I had extensive conversations with a supervisor in a big-city police department. He was completely unfazed by the myriad of local and state regulations which pose a dangerous obstacle course to civilian gun owners who want to transport their weapons.<BR/><BR/>In a nutshell, he was 100 percent confident that this inpenetrable maze of 'gotcha' regulation would NEVER be applied against him by a brother cop, while carrying his service weapon cross-country. He described a New Orleans cop who was shocked to learn that he (unusually) wasn't armed, and offered to lend him a pistol during his visit to the Crescent City.<BR/><BR/>I expect that my cop acquaintance is correct -- 'professional courtesy' will protect him, maybe even in New York City or Chicago, against prosecution for not possessing the correct local paperwork. Whereas ordinary, law-abiding citizens, properly licensed in their home jurisdictions, can and do get sent to prison for straying across a political boundary into a locality which doesn't (contrary to the constitution) honor the privileges and immunities granted by other states.<BR/><BR/>I don't resent the privileges my cop friend has. I just think they should be available to all of us. And the Fourteenth Amendment ('equal protection of the law') backs me up.<BR/><BR/>But then, the constitution is long-dead. So let's not get waylaid by extravagant, pointless fantasies. A citizen proposes; martial law disposes. Serfs must know their place in a backslid, pre-enlightenment culture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-35463226198259664292009-03-17T15:33:00.000-06:002009-03-17T15:33:00.000-06:00A great article, Will. But, remember, both the Pe...A great article, Will. But, remember, both the People In Charge, and the general public, don't care about such lofty and inconceivable notions as "common law" or "exemptions" or anything like that. And because they don't care, politicians and police officers can get away with ANYTHING.<BR/><BR/>"The illegal we can do right away. The unconstitutional takes a little longer." Henry Kissinger.<BR/><BR/>The only thing these bastards react to is fear. Fear for losing their jobs, fear for losing their benefits and plush amenities, and fear for losing their lives.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps we, as freedom loving people, should stop whining about things like this, and start posturing and threatening. If that doesn't work, then it's time to act on those threats.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-6084134812848744842009-03-17T13:48:00.000-06:002009-03-17T13:48:00.000-06:00As always another great article. I often look for...As always another great article. I often look forward to Pro Libertate and it never disappoints.JJhttp://jessejblog.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-17968514510234010762009-03-17T13:32:00.000-06:002009-03-17T13:32:00.000-06:00My one regret for the many years I worked in my ho...My one regret for the many years I worked in my home school boy scout troop is the number of young men who viewed joining the police or armed forces as an act of PROTECTION of the people, rather than an act of protection of the people ROBBING the people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com