tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post5506460631554016609..comments2017-04-13T04:47:21.148-06:00Comments on Pro Libertate: Making Murder "Reasonable": How the Ferguson PD Will Whitewash the Killing of Michael E. Brown (UPDATE, August 15)William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-34578779096627787162014-08-27T15:07:51.094-06:002014-08-27T15:07:51.094-06:00...what we do have is the initial statement put ou...<i> ...what we do have is the initial statement put out by the police department the day after the shooting saying that an investigation was underway and that the officer had indeed been a physical confrontation and that Mike Brown had tried to grab his gun. </i><br /><br />That's a press release, not an incident report. Your husband studied to be a police officer; he was, not doubt, taught about the urgent necessity of documenting, in detail, everything about an incident involving the use of force, especially one involving a homicide. Wilson didn't do that. No incident report was completed until ten days later when the St. Louis County PD released a document devoid of all details apart from the location, the shooter, and the victim. <br /><br /><i>The allegations that all support for Officer Wilson has been based on gossip is ignoring this fact and also not being sensitive to the investigation that is underway and needs to be protected.</i><br /><br />If the investigation "needs to be protected," why are people in the St. Louis County DA's office putting rumors and un-sourced gossip into circulation? Why are people credulously treating those rumors as if they were evidence? <br /><br />This is a very familiar routine: Whenever a police officer fatally shoots someone, his department and the DA will insist that the relevant facts about the officer must be withheld due to the "ongoing investigation" -- even as they chum the media waters with damaging facts, rumors, innuendo, and hearsay regarding the victim. <br /><br /><i>trying to make an argument that Darren Wilson being a police officer is somehow preventing real justice from happening is a true distortion of facts.</i><br /><br />My point is that Wilson, under Missouri law, is considered a "privileged aggressor," and that per the "reasonable officer" standard his subjective perception of personal risk is the key consideration in determining whether the killing is "justified." <br /><br />That's an accurate description of a system that institutionalizes a distortion of justice. William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-47148730331518260482014-08-27T14:43:11.937-06:002014-08-27T14:43:11.937-06:00William what we do have is the initial statement p...William what we do have is the initial statement put out by the police department the day after the shooting saying that an investigation was underway and that the officer had indeed been a physical confrontation and that Mike Brown had tried to grab his gun. The allegations that all support for Officer Wilson has been based on gossip is ignoring this fact and also not being sensitive to the investigation that is underway and needs to be protected. Also, trying to make an argument that Darren Wilson being a police officer is somehow preventing real justice from happening is a true distortion of facts.Heatherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07262899671754712037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-38879930218007502312014-08-27T09:33:10.699-06:002014-08-27T09:33:10.699-06:00Heather, we don't have an incident report from...Heather, we don't have an incident report from the day of the shooting -- which means that we have no objective way of comparing the story we will eventually receive from Wilson with the version he told investigators immediately after the incident. <br /><br />So far, Wilson's partisans have retailed rumors and gossip. There is no solid information supporting the claim that Brown was the aggressor.<br /><br />If Wilson were anybody other than a police officer, he would have been arrested and formally charged with criminal homicide by now. As I indicate above, it seems profoundly improbable that he will ever face criminal charges because of his occupation and its inherent privileges. Ironically, this would also mean that he will never be fully vindicated in the eyes of many. William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-7891635588291768092014-08-27T09:24:20.133-06:002014-08-27T09:24:20.133-06:00I have to disagree with this article, because you&...I have to disagree with this article, because you're already attaching prejudgements and other "instances" that you feel are similar without knowing the facts of what really happened or how justified the killing was. <br /><br />Articles like this only prove that no matter how much evidence comes out in support of the officer there will always be people who don't want to accept truth and will villify this officer no matter what. <br />http://writingtheleftunsaid.blogspot.comHeatherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07262899671754712037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-63455333965625913572014-08-22T02:04:40.402-06:002014-08-22T02:04:40.402-06:00Thanks for such a prompt response! I agree that h...Thanks for such a prompt response! I agree that his anti war views were great, and should be emphasized. However, I don't really see the rejection of his support that enabled things like the civil rights act, the massive welfare state, affirmative action, supporting reparations, and laying the groundwork for scum like Sharpton and Jackson. The professional race banters on MsNbc like to point out how Sharpton is an extension of MLK, and unfortunately they are correct - no matter how much republican types try to debate this topic.<br /><br />I am younger than you by a couple decades so I may not have been old enough to remember this correctly, but I seem to remember the Mises crowd as being the only figures associated with libertarians to even dare to bring up those objections besides the ultra rare paleo con like sam francis or paul gottfried, hardly libertarian in nature. It also seems amazing to me that King can not only get away with plagiarism for his doctorate and his most famous speech, but having openly communist advisors on his staff. Of all things, at least that should draw a rebuke from the cons and libertarians of today, but it most certainly does not.<br /><br />It seems to be ok to judge Thomas Jefferson by today's historical standards for having slaves, yet just a few decades ago a pastor stole his doctorate, cheated on his wife constantly, was inuenced by open communists, pushed through wildly unconstitutional laws, and favored both the welfare state and reparations - and nothing is ever said about it. Do you think the left has won the culture war to the point that it is political suicide to even discuss this?<br /><br />It reminds me of how up in arms the left and the neo-cons were over the line in the Ron Paul newsletter about order being restored during the la riots when the welfare checks were distributed - then Tom woods posted that ultra liberal robin Williams made that exact joke to huge laughter on the Tonight Show while it was happening. Maybe the culture has just moved so far to the left that libertarian types view it as a losing battle?<br /><br />Thanks again for your excellent writing and blog. You woke me up to a lot of things with your TNA articles just as you have with this blog. You certainly had a major impact on my views and how I think, which is something I can't express enough in the meager donations I have offered in the last couple years. The world has certainly RunAmok, but you have never stopped fighting the police state and have created a lot of converts along the way. I am pretty sure I have seen this story unfold before with a country Texas doctor swinging at windmills for decades about some obscure banking issue that no one will ever care about :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-44904444340552101812014-08-21T22:22:30.068-06:002014-08-21T22:22:30.068-06:00Martin Luther King was right about the Vietnam War...Martin Luther King was right about the Vietnam War, and had some intelligent things to say about state-imposed segregation. He also had a way with words, albeit of somebody else's composition. When I was at TNA we received a letter from Lew Rockwell pointing out that despite his obvious and plentiful faults King was an opponent of the Warfare State, and was to that extent commendable. I suspect that explains Dr. Paul's view of him, as well. <br /><br />William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-7058088224822642922014-08-21T20:25:20.641-06:002014-08-21T20:25:20.641-06:00Mr Grigg,
What do you think of so many in the lib...Mr Grigg,<br /><br />What do you think of so many in the libertarian movement embracing MLK? Your article on him from a decade and a half ago was outstanding and a real eye opener. Do you still agree with those views? I know lew and Ron Paul used to be opposed to mlk, but now seem to have embraced him just as the leftists do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-2211701105081852612014-08-21T15:19:05.246-06:002014-08-21T15:19:05.246-06:00I appreciate your balanced critique of the essay. ...I appreciate your balanced critique of the essay. <br /><br />If you've read my previous work you may have come across the essay in which I describe the "Tom Joad test": When we see a police officer beating or shooting someone, do we instinctively side with the cop or the victim? <br /><br />State-licensed aggressors are <i>never</i> entitled to the benefit of the doubt, in large measure because they often kill in haste and justify their actions at leisure. <br /><br />During the past week, the process I describe above has unfolded in much the way I anticipated. We've seen a steady stream of leaks from the office of a DA who is among the country's most notoriously prejudiced police partisans, all of which traffic in anonymous "inside information" intended to depict Brown as the aggressor. He may have been. It's likely that we'll never know. <br /><br />In any case, owing to the "reasonable officer" doctrine, and the low priority the Ferguson PD placed on the use of video recording tech, the outcome of this case is practically a foregone conclusion. William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-18784222830133529332014-08-21T14:57:21.416-06:002014-08-21T14:57:21.416-06:00Very disappointed that you so quickly concluded th...Very disappointed that you so quickly concluded that the officer was guilty, before hearing all the evidence. I know that you have documented mamy instances of police abuse, but I always thought they were well researched. Now that I know your willingness to condemn before having all the facts, it makes me doubht your previous work.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-34526301807724513652014-08-21T09:01:38.926-06:002014-08-21T09:01:38.926-06:00As I've already pointed out, the British "...As I've already pointed out, the British "murder rate" is a fudge.<br /><br />to be counted, there must be a conviction for "murder" and a failed appeal against that conviction.<br /><br />All of that assumes that there is a suspect arrested and enough evidence put in front of a judge and jury.<br /><br />With an obvious crime of passion, that is pretty easy - it is often the perp who calls the cops and who is stood there covered in blood. They're probably of little risk to anyone else, but there you go, they'll pad the statistics.<br /><br />With an actual pre meditated "hit", unless someone snitches, or the perp seriously messes up, the cops don't stand a cat in hell's chance of catching them.<br /><br />What proportion of homicides actually result in a conviction murder and a failed appeal against it?<br /><br />Perhaps 10% if you are very optimistic?<br /><br />The "murder" figures for Britain (incidentally the Scottish figures are about double those of England and Wales) are not comparable with the (still fudged) "homicide" figures for the united police state.<br /><br />KeithAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-20688107833626167072014-08-20T17:59:23.592-06:002014-08-20T17:59:23.592-06:00Right, but gun control types and British people al...Right, but gun control types and British people always bring up murder rate comparisons between the two nations as proof of the need for gun control. Unfortunately, those same people quickly abandon the comparison and scream racism when it is pointed out that the white rate in America is roughly the same as Europe. For instance, 1.9 per 100k of the murders by firearm are done by whites, while 14.4 are done by blacks in America. <br /><br />There is a giant underclass of very poor whites in America. If it was solely about poverty, why is the white crime rate so low in comparison? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-14225530314767536112014-08-20T17:09:25.711-06:002014-08-20T17:09:25.711-06:00hey guys,I live in scotland,where there are virtua...hey guys,I live in scotland,where there are virtually no blacks, Mexicans etc,and guess what,our prisons are full of murderers killers rapists robbers theives as are your prisons. go figure<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-86711289757241177342014-08-20T04:49:05.544-06:002014-08-20T04:49:05.544-06:00With respect to dysfunctional urban communities, I...With respect to dysfunctional urban communities, I see the exact same thing in the former coal mining, ship building and steel making and textile weaving towns and villages in Britain.<br /><br />The faces are white, but the incentives, economic barriers and behaviours are the same.<br /><br />Working with Afrikaans guys in Africa, I used to chuckle about their tales of people referred to with the "k" word, and tell them matching ones of blond haired, blue eyed muppets, who'd turn lobster colour if they were left in the sun for 10 minutes.<br /><br />The official statistics in Britain do not record a straight "homicide" figure, Instead they record "murder" which requires a murder conviction and a failed appeal. Those caught and convicted are usually crimes of passion, a "hit" would seldom result in an arrest. as a rough guesstimate, multiply the British "murder" rate by ten and you might be in the correct order of magnitude for homicide rate. <br /><br />On the basis of what I see, Britain's manufactured and non colour coded underclass is performing at least as badly as the more colour coded one that has been manufactured in the united state Keithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-22715445444158242192014-08-20T04:31:37.424-06:002014-08-20T04:31:37.424-06:00Hi LG,
I just lost a comment.
The people I've...Hi LG,<br />I just lost a comment.<br /><br />The people I've been associating with the past week have been talking about old tractors, sheep, combines, crops and ploughing. <br /><br />I'll have an ask around some who watch the lamestream.<br /><br />I bet that the Al Jazeera crew, who were a mile behind police lines, getting a tear gas grenade fired into their midst, only served to reinforce what many people already think about the united state.Keithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-55145021076550896872014-08-20T04:25:56.149-06:002014-08-20T04:25:56.149-06:00Hi LG,
The conversations I've had the last wee...Hi LG,<br />The conversations I've had the last week have tended to be about old tractors, sheep, cattle, hay, barley and ploughing.<br /><br />I'll have an ask around amongst some people who watch and listen to the lamestream.<br /><br />I watched the vids of the Al Jazeera crew, a mile behind the lines of cops getting a tear gas grenade fired into their midst and their cameras getting turned to face the ground. Those cops certainly don't like the idea of any accountability.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-82117082793271829232014-08-20T01:03:46.170-06:002014-08-20T01:03:46.170-06:00Thanks for the thoughtful response. I will respon...Thanks for the thoughtful response. I will respond to the rest tomorrow, but I did want to address the MLK thing before I turn in for the night. It was none other than Will Grigg himself who shocked me with a column he wrote probably fifteen years ago about MLK that made me realize the Jacksons and Sharptons basically have continued on in exactly the same way as MLK.<br /><br />Have you read the Playboy interview where MLK pushed for the equivalent of reparations? He argued that because of past injustice, billions of dollars being spent by the whites on them would even out the playing field. He essentially supported the welfare state and affirmative action policies that Sharpton and Jackson do. We have spent far, far more than that amount and blacks are much worse off. MLK basically laid the groundwork for the victim mindset and for the self appointed civil rights leaders like Sharpton promoting the welfare state and racism against whites by blaming them for all of their problems.<br /><br />I also have a hard time viewing someone who plagiarized his most famous speech, his doctorate, and promoted himself as a man of God while cheating on his wife pretty much on a daily basis with prostitutes and various other women as a wonderful human being. Even though these statements would get me fired at any job today thanks to race being the new red scare, as comedian norm macdonald has noted, these are essential truths. I can see why proponents of the welfare state and affirmative action policies and constantly blaming whitey for everything like MLK, but I don't understand why opponents of the welfare state and the Sharpton/Jackson racist hustlers ever could.<br /><br />Don't worry, Mr Grigg - I stopped reading the rag you wrote that article in after they fired you! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-15916434135920210902014-08-20T00:34:41.767-06:002014-08-20T00:34:41.767-06:00Mr. Grigg,
If you ever want to quote me, in any fo...Mr. Grigg,<br />If you ever want to quote me, in any forum or any context whatsoever, you hereby have my full and unconditional permission.<br />Thank you for all your efforts.<br /> - "Lemuel Gulliver"<br />Lemuel Gullivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-66673210430062215042014-08-19T23:58:20.258-06:002014-08-19T23:58:20.258-06:00(Continued...)
Today, I find it hard to understan...(Continued...)<br /><br />Today, I find it hard to understand some black kids. They speak "Ebonics," which is not recognized as a language anywhere in the world except the ghetto. They no longer name their children Jennifer and Paul, but Tameesha and Ja'khana, which means, when those kids send in their resume for a job, it goes directly into the trash. It's hard enough for Jennifer and Paul to get a job. It's beyond impossible for Tawanda and Jo'khomo. <br /><br />There are millions of successful middle-class blacks. But most of them are of the old school, or the children of those of the old school. And they name their children Samantha and Dennis. How is a Takeesha or a Ja'khano, born to a single mother in the ghetto, supposed to escape? When they are constantly, from birth, told they are victims, and should be angry about it, and should hate whites for their lying hypocrisy and centuries of violent oppression? And they look around at their unemployed and unemployable fathers, brothers, sisters and mothers, sponging helplessly off the charity of the state?<br /><br />Can you understand, perhaps, their humiliation? Their anger? Their hopelessness? Their shame, at what and who the world tells them they are? How would YOU feel in their shoes?<br /><br />Contrast this with Jewish kids, who from birth are told they are God's Chosen People, destined to rule the Earth. And they do.<br /><br />Prophecy is self-fulfilling. Behave like a victim, and you become a victim. Behave like a free man, and freedom will sit upon your head like a crown.<br /><br />Where do we place the blame? How do we change it? Can it be changed any more? Do you have an answer?<br /><br /> - LGLemuel Gullivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-33879258571642154742014-08-19T23:55:23.736-06:002014-08-19T23:55:23.736-06:00Anonymous,
Very thoughtful and good comments. Som...Anonymous,<br /><br />Very thoughtful and good comments. Some observations:<br /><br />Back in the 40's and 50's, blacks tried SO hard to be accepted by whites - they straightened their hair, lightened their skin, went to church, spoke like whites, dressed like middle-class whites in suits, nice dresses and hats, tried to get educated and work hard, and what did they get for all that effort? Cross burnings, lynchings, and accusations that black men were out to rape white women and black women were out to steal from their white employers. That their very act of drinking from a water fountain would pollute the water and make it undrinkable by any pure, clean white man. That their filthiness and foul uncleanliness made it impossible for them to sit and eat in the same restaurant as a pure, clean white man. Bathe 20 times a day, it would not help, they would still be filthy and foul. Church bombings, lynchings, sham trials, police dogs, broken heads, and gallons of saliva in their faces.<br /><br />By the time the whites grudgingly bestowed on them equality of a sort, at least in law, (due purely to political expediency and the recruitment of so many new voters to the Democratic Party,) it seems to me, many blacks were so disgusted with white hypocrisy and sheer nastiness, that they said, to hell with you and your f##king white culture, we will be as "black" as we can be, and you can take your white culture and shove it where you claim your anatomy does not stink.<br /><br />And exploiters and hypocrites like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson acquired fame and great fortune by playing on those resentments and hatreds. Only as long as blacks remained "victims" could these so-called "leaders" find a following.<br /><br />But whites are to blame for that too. The one person who had a different, truly liberated and uplifting philosophy, who could have led the black man from the darkness of despair into the sunshine of Great Expectations as the equal and respected colleague of the white man - Martin Luther King, Jr - was murdered by the white man - by J. Edgar Hoover, to be precise. This horrific crime against human decency, human hopes, and human nobility of spirit, consigned millions of blacks to the trash bins of America, and laid the foundation for endless future centuries of conflict and violence. One hopes Hoover suffers for all eternity in the hottest flames of Hell.<br /><br />This was a tragedy, one of the greatest and most tragic crimes in our 240-year history, equal to if the white South Africans would have murdered Mandela, the only man who saved white society in that country from annihilation by the majority blacks. <br /><br />(Continued...)Lemuel Gullivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-87885546079468157572014-08-19T21:32:45.968-06:002014-08-19T21:32:45.968-06:00Speaking as a libertarian in the tradition of Roth...Speaking as a libertarian in the tradition of Rothbard and Hoppe, I concur on the status of police being completely out of control. However, I also think many of my fellow libertarians seem to be of the opinion that the cops and poverty are why blacks have such high rates of violence. Even if the police were demilitarized and drug laws abolished, would blacks cease having a homicide rate with firearms seven times greater than whites, despite whites making up over five times as many members of the population?<br /><br />As someone who has spent years working with inner city type blacks, I would have to say that the fundamentals would not change. Thanks to LBJ, the out of wedlock birth rate is in the 70 percentage range, and the public schools make sure they are dumbed down. If blacks only commit crimes purely because of poverty, why don't we see similar astronomical levels of violence and crime associated with poor whites or any other demographic?<br /><br />My point is that police have in large part become militarized with the approval of the public precisely because of roughly 3 percent of the population committing half of the murders every year. It is also the reason that NYC elected a tyrant like Bloomberg to stop and frisk blacks for simply walking down the street - it worked because blacks engage in the vast majority of crime. So while it is easy to blame Presidents for militarizing the police, why would they have done so if it were not overwhelming popular among the public because of the same sort of fears based on crime stats that caused white flight?<br /><br />Getting into the reasons for this reality is another topic, but it is indeed a reality. I have enormous respect for Mr Grigg and have donated to this blog several times to help keep it running, but I think too many people have a misunderstanding that things would be normal if only the drug war was ended (which I support). What about how there is basically no morality, no family structure, no value on life, no education, astronomical crime rates, vicious attacks on non blacks being both the norm and covered up by the media, gigantic levels of welfare use, and destroying private property on a regular basis like right now in Ferguson because they are mad at a cop who does not own the property?<br /><br />And before anyone thinks I am some sort of racist, I have had this exact same convo with other blacks who completely agree. They have no idea what to do, but know that the start of this involved the welfare state. However, the stuff in ferguson would look like a walk in the park compared to abolishing the welfare state, so what is to be done? How does one bestow morality upon a people that have had it destroyed? <br /><br />If we abolished government overnight, the reality is that black crime and murder rate would still be through the roof. As pointed out above, plenty of security types and individuals would end up gunning down blacks for engaging in violence, just as they do now. And just as we have now, the elites would make sure and live far away from any black areas.<br /><br />My point to the commenters here is that this is a far more complex issue than it may seem, and it can't be blamed soley on the Barney fifes running around in their Delta Force gear. Even Ron Paul has stated he would not abolish the Fed overnight if he had the power because of how so much is dependent on it - just like the welfare state and blacks. Except Wall Street related businesses would not burn down and destroy private property when their welfare checks and EBt cards that both groups feel entitled to were ended.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-46163571968435522752014-08-19T18:23:14.259-06:002014-08-19T18:23:14.259-06:00Everyone,
I kid you not - this is being watched w...Everyone,<br /><br />I kid you not - this is being watched worldwide. The Egyptian government just urged the US government to "show restraint" in Ferguson:<br /><br />http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/19/1322966/-Egypt-urges-restraint-in-Ferguson?detail=email<br /><br />Keith, what is the reaction over there in Britain? Is it getting much attention?<br /><br />And if you go to the link I gave above:<br /><br />http://news.yahoo.com/ferguson-protests-live-updates-day-10-130710733.html<br /><br />and go to the last video embedded in that story, you will see that there are plenty of clean-cut young white protesters among the blacks, and all of them, black and white together, are getting along famously. No hostility, no antagonism, but a spirit of brotherhood, from all I can see in that short video. I would venture to guess that those white faces do not live in Ferguson, but have come from afar to show their support, just like people came from afar to support Cliven Bundy.<br /><br />This is NOT a "race riot" as our asshole politicians would like to brand it, it is a "Justice Riot." And as you observe Keith, the rioters are protecting private property, which the police are not even attempting to do. The police do not exist to protect private property and the lives of the public, but they exist purely as a self-serving gang of extortioners and street thugs, solely interested in their own monetary enrichment at the expense of the public, and in protecting themselves from the anger of their victims.<br /><br />Thank God too for the world press. If it was not for them, I'm sure we would have seen many dead people in Ferguson, but this cannot happen while the world is watching.<br /><br />Oh what a wonderful day. It has been a long time coming. <br /><br /> - LGLemuel Gullivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-7052432884173276362014-08-19T17:34:25.515-06:002014-08-19T17:34:25.515-06:00Hi LG,
Some were indeed looting, but, others were...Hi LG,<br /><br />Some were indeed looting, but, others were doing what the donut munchers wouldn't. <br /><br />Sure, the cops were happily shooting mundanes, assaulting and gratuitously gassing journalists and acting like complete arseholes <br /><br />Meanwhile mundanes were demonstrating the irrelevance of the state, by doing what the state claims that only it can do - protecting property and persons<br />http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/16/ferguson-protesters-guard-stores_n_5684042.html<br /><br />They have spontaneously created private defense agencies, and they're doing exactly what statists claim that private defense agencies would never do - donate protect the most downtrodden for free.<br /><br />They're wonderful anarchists and they don't even know it yet<br /><br />http://www.sovereigntynetwork.com/purple-haze--anarchy-in-ferguson-by-guy-buddy.htmlKeithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-58380296647513595252014-08-19T15:30:10.358-06:002014-08-19T15:30:10.358-06:00Mr. Grigg,
I wish I could embed a photo in this c...Mr. Grigg,<br /><br />I wish I could embed a photo in this comment, but since I cannot, you should please go here and see the lead photo in this story before they take it down:<br /><br />http://news.yahoo.com/ferguson-protests-live-updates-day-10-130710733.html<br /><br />If you can add it to your story above, please do.<br /><br />A glorious day! This is what the nation and the world is seeing. Finally, after years of you and sites like policestateusa.com posting stories of out-of-control violent police brutality, the wider public and the world is FINALLY becoming aware of what you and your readers have known for a long time. Oh, joy!<br /><br />Can you imagine the effect of a photo like that in Europe, Japan, India, China, and all over the civilized world? Can you imagine what this means to the already abysmal image of the US in those countries, which already saw us before this event as the world's greatest threat to peace?<br /><br />God bless the unruly, thieving, larcenous and violent "niggers" (and I use that word only to illustrate what the white community would call them behind closed doors, not as a pejorative term - I admire and support them 100%) of Ferguson. FINALLY - finally!! as representatives of We The People of America, the glorious citizens of Ferguson have had enough, and will not take it any more. Yes, they are looting and burning, but who cares, the world now realizes what the American Public has to deal with on a daily basis.<br /><br />People in those countries may even come to like us Americans better as a result of this, after realizing that it is not only them that live in abject fear of the aggression of the US State, but us too.<br /><br />Do you realize that this world-headline story is the success of everything you have worked for, for years? Things must change now - either the State will become even more violently repressive, or We The People will demand it shall back off, and back down.<br /><br />The noise you hear in the background is me, dancing a jig for joy.<br /><br /> - LG<br />Lemuel Gullivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-21078365250957234602014-08-19T10:26:35.508-06:002014-08-19T10:26:35.508-06:00Mr. Grigg,
I watched the short YouTube video. Exce...Mr. Grigg,<br />I watched the short YouTube video. Excellent example of the mindset, glorifying violence and power.<br /><br />Mr. Haller,<br />Thank you very much for that link. Yes, no question, Michael Brown was no "Gentle Giant" but a large and disgusting piece of shit, or as you delicately put it, POS. It does not change the fact that he should not have been gunned down without due process of law. Due process protects not only POSs like him, but you and me too. Did you read the links I gave you, or go to that website? The police in America are out of control, crazed with fear and hatred of the public. ALL of the public, including you and me. Being a nice, law-abiding white person, even a young minister of the Church, is no protection against being gunned down with impunity.<br /><br />As I said, this is not about Michael Brown, and whether he was a POS or not. It is about the police and their brutality, arrogance, and violence. And, incidentally, about their impunity, the fact that they are also given the power to investigate themselves, and inevitably, find that they did no wrong. Even when they shoot an unarmed white minister of the Church inside his own car. Or invade a white wedding - a mob of 34 of them - where people are simply celebrating a joyous occasion, and send many peaceful people to the hospital. What a horrible lifetime memory for that family and their guests, on what should have been a happy day.<br /><br />Perhaps the best thing Michael Brown ever did in his life was to become another victim. By his death he has, no doubt inadvertently, done a great service to the rest of us.<br /><br />You know the saying of Dietrich Bonhoffer about the Nazis? - "First they came for the Communists, and I did not speak out, because I was not a communist. Then they came for the Gypsies, and I did not speak out, because I was not a gypsy. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out, because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out, because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me, and alas, there was nobody left to speak out."<br /><br />That's what this is all about.<br /><br /> - LGLemuel Gullivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-57282876761238396622014-08-19T08:55:17.472-06:002014-08-19T08:55:17.472-06:00I agree wholeheartedly that vulgar musical tribute...I agree wholeheartedly that vulgar musical tributes to degenerate violence testify of criminal intentions. Here's a splendid example provided by the Doraville, Georgia SWAT team and its fanboys:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kajhu7qgojU<br /><br />The problem isn't race, nor is it, strictly speaking, the fictive construct called the "State": The problem is aggression.William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.com