tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post4133195015954009066..comments2017-04-13T04:47:21.148-06:00Comments on Pro Libertate: Imperial GangbangersWilliam N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-55767578474394793442010-11-20T21:42:26.805-07:002010-11-20T21:42:26.805-07:00Come on, William Grigg. Head stomping?
Valle int...Come on, William Grigg. Head stomping?<br /><br />Valle intentionally caused a ruckus, knowing at least one person in the grass roots, frustrated, often maligned, inexperienced Rand Paul crowd would react, overreact or even react appropriately. With basic editing skills, any such an event can be used to frame Rand Paul as some sort of libertarian, lawless, civil-rights-hating hick. <br /><br />The 50-something year old man who "stomped" her head looked afraid and a little freaked out to me. Hardly a deliberate act. He was REacting.<br /><br />I promise you...given my background, life experience and personality...if I had been in that crowd and some sort of ruckus was happening behind me...and one of my own said "stop him/her"...and the 'perpetrator' had on an identity-obcuring wig (and short hair beneath which appears masculine), I would have dropped that person quickly in self defense and would have been totally justified. <br /><br />Crazy people exist, and they show up at rallies, etc...to do harm, start fights. A friend that was there told me she was very confused and scared. That was Valle's goal. She plowed into people's backs and was taken down with minimal force...as she should have been. Notice, the other people in the group QUICKLY called for that "stomper" to stop (and he did stop), and for cops to be called in.<br /><br />I'm a big fan of your stuff, Grigg. But on this one - characterizing the scared, confused victim of Valle's stunt a stomper - you're way off.<br /><br />One more thing. You're a darn good guitar player. Please post more. And I'm wondering if your son is coming along as well.Sean O'Donnellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-32732308054314653192010-11-03T11:36:37.898-06:002010-11-03T11:36:37.898-06:00Don't ever forget. At the end of the day the t...Don't ever forget. At the end of the day the troops, who we are supposed to worship without queston, are just another bunch of government workers.Frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-73999899775197271772010-11-03T09:13:45.042-06:002010-11-03T09:13:45.042-06:00@ liberranter:
Your account of the Marine recruit...@ liberranter:<br /><br />Your account of the Marine recruiter brought to mind one of my experiences at the LA MEPS as I was foolishly signing myself up for a four-year stint in the Army. I had maxed the ASVAB an hour or so before. The guy that was responsible for helping me pick my MOS said I could pretty much pick any job I wanted, and started listing a bunch of smarty-pants strategic jobs. I told him I wanted to jump out of airplanes, not realizing that this was a qualification and not a specific job. He then offered me a cook's position in the Rangers. He said that I could "learn how to cook large quantities of delicious food like (pause) macaroni and cheese..." I guess the irony of the seamless transition between satellite technician and beef grenade slinger was missed by the recruiter, but I got it.<br /><br />Yeah, I know, that has nothing to do with anything. Hopefully somebody got a laugh.<br /><br />@ Will:<br /><br />I was gonna say "keep up the good work," but on second thought, I'm gonna ask you to stop, because one more of your posts and I'm going over the edge. What planet am I on, anyway? And how the hell did I get here?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-25391679915755480492010-11-02T00:32:37.602-06:002010-11-02T00:32:37.602-06:00In any case, I had a run-in with one this these ne...<i>In any case, I had a run-in with one this these new breed of Marines a few years back, and was absolutely disgusted with his attitude. He seemed to think he was better than everyone and had a right to insult anyone for no good reason. I never met a more disgusting piece of work in my entire life. The only reason he's still alive is because it was illegal for me to kill him.</i><br /><br />You really have to cut Marines some slack. Most of them have IQs lower than the beach sand on which they train for amphibious landings. Many moons ago, right before I made one of my life's greatest mistakes by signing on the dotted line for the first of my enlistments in Uncle Sap's Imperial Navy, the recruiter who conned me into the deal told me that years earlier he had been turned down after trying to enlist in the Marine Corps. The reason? According to the grunt Gunnery Sergeant at the recruiting station, he was "too damned smart. You'll NEVER make it as a Marine because you're the type who'll question orders and be thinking all the time." Sounds reminiscent of the applicant to a Connecticut police department who was turned down for being "too smart to be a cop."<br /><br />In short, most Marines are belligerent bullies because 1) its expected of them, 2) to <i>not</i> be a belligerent bully would get them the same treatment that honest, ethical cops get in most metropolitan PDs or that weak wild dogs get when the rest of the pack senses their weakness, and 3) they're simply not smart, talented, or motivated enough to do or be anything else.liberranterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00555275410576294081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-79028328263902043132010-11-01T17:26:40.832-06:002010-11-01T17:26:40.832-06:00It ought to be noted that your good ole boys in th...<i>It ought to be noted that your good ole boys in that biker gang of West's also don't allow black people, which West even mentioned. That means they wouldn't have you or, ironically, West among their number because, Vietnam vets or no, they're racists.</i><br /><br />Will isn't black, he's a Mexican. Most biker gangs admit Mexicans. But that's neither here nor there.<br /><br />In any case, I had a run-in with one this these new breed of Marines a few years back, and was absolutely disgusted with his attitude. He seemed to think he was better than everyone and had a right to insult anyone for no good reason. I never met a more disgusting piece of work in my entire life. The only reason he's still alive is because it was illegal for me to kill him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-84064924444697531612010-10-31T10:30:28.397-06:002010-10-31T10:30:28.397-06:00Shoving a sign and your hands into an open truck w...Shoving a sign and your hands into an open truck window is clearly assault. Note, I said assault rather than battery. Assault is the threat or attempt to commit battery or unwanted physical contact. <br /><br />Could you say that the disguised woman did not have a gun or a knife inside her coat? Keeping her face down with minimal force was the smart thing to do. Yes, it was minimal force, she didn't sport any black eyes or broken teeth in any of her press interviews. She got off much easier than she would have if she had charged Obama or even the governor of Kentucky.Chris Mallorynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-3196597168402126782010-10-31T00:50:43.451-06:002010-10-31T00:50:43.451-06:00Why does it seem that an increasing number of men ...<i>Why does it seem that an increasing number of men (cops especially) think it is ok to get so physically rough with women?<br /></i><br /><br />Very simple answer to that. It's because most of them, especially those who are cops, are weak, cowardly, amoral, insecure pieces of excrement who are incapable of interacting with women (or indeed any decent human being of either gender) on a functional adult level. The fact that so many Amoricons not only excuse, but indeed glorify these pathetic thugs as "heroes" simply means that said thugscum are a direct reflection of the culture that spawned them.<br /><br />Again, there is NO hope...liberranterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00555275410576294081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-87756505445482791042010-10-30T12:25:54.299-06:002010-10-30T12:25:54.299-06:00I saw the clip and to be honest it is ridiculous t...I saw the clip and to be honest it is ridiculous that someone should be pushed to the ground and then a foot shoved down to make their point. First I see the goons in Alaska do their bit and now these idiots. Next time just dress up in SA uniforms and do it right! Why pretend.MoThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13996714804361467430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-10127119027767704192010-10-30T09:22:43.976-06:002010-10-30T09:22:43.976-06:00Why does it seem that an increasing number of men ...Why does it seem that an increasing number of men (cops especially) think it is ok to get so physically rough with women?<br /><br />Also, I wanted to relate that, years ago, when Cindy Sheehan went to Bush's ranch in Crawford to protest, I misguidedly went to protest her. (that was before my enlightenment)<br /><br />I immediately felt frightened around my cohorts. At one point the Protest Warriors walked across the grounds with one of their ironic signs. Our crowd misread them and 5 men rushed and tackled the unfortunate young men.<br /><br />There is thuggery on both sides.Jerri Lynn Wardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-23283676262331067552010-10-30T08:39:15.995-06:002010-10-30T08:39:15.995-06:00This is a better view of the stomping incident, wh...This is a better view of the stomping incident, which happened after Valle made her second attempt to get photographed with Paul: <br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ1nniVAsss&feature=related<br /><br />Valle's actions were stupid, obnoxious, and disruptive. It takes the same kind of dishonesty that police routinely employ in official reports to say that she attempted to "assault" Dr. Paul. He didn't make any mention of an attempted "assault" in his post-debate comments, and he had a better view of the incidents than anybody else.<br /><br />By the time Mr. Proffitt shows up to stomp (no other word applies) Valle, she had been surrounded by no fewer than four men, and she was prone and helpless. Paul wasn't in any conceivable danger, and people were running to get the police. <br /><br />How can waving a sign at Dr. Paul be considered an "assault," but stomping on a prone, helpless, surrounded woman be dismissed as a mere "shove"? <br /><br />Yes, Valle is a professional agitator, but there are some things that simply aren't done, and putting a foot on the back of a woman who's face-down on the sidewalk is pretty high on that list.William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-52575550477301697642010-10-30T02:27:32.228-06:002010-10-30T02:27:32.228-06:00When did that assault take place?
http://www.yout...<i>When did that assault take place?</i><br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiLeud-sxrMTravisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-57475680050397215062010-10-29T10:37:46.037-06:002010-10-29T10:37:46.037-06:00Chris, as you point out, police are already doing ...Chris, as you point out, police are <i>already</i> doing "contact patrols" here in the U.S. In fact, this stuff actually started here before it was used in "counter-insurgency" overseas. <br /><br /><i>The woman who was supposedly "curbstomped" was disguised and carrying false ID in order to conceal her identity. She had already assaulted Dr. Paul a few seconds before she was restrained and was charging him again when she was stopped.</i><br /><br />When did that assault take place? I've not read or heard anything from the campaign to that effect, and if this had happened they really <i>should</i> publicize the fact.<br /><br />This account --<br /><br />http://wizbangblog.com/content/2010/10/29/double-standard-3.php<br /><br />-- says that Ms. Valle (who is a paid political agitator, who are common enough both on the Left and the Right) was trying to pull a James O'Keefe-style piece of street theater by getting photographed next to Dr. Paul's vehicle. This is a stupid stunt, but it's not an "assault." <br /><br />By the time Valle ended up on the ground with a boot on her neck, it was clear that she wasn't wasn't "Squeaky" Fromme. <br /><br />I don't think there's anything wrong with barricading Dr. Paul from a known troublemaker, but throwing a woman to the ground and, yes, <i>stomping</i> on her neck should be seen -- at the very least -- as a really stupid thing to do.William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-29724374055667829182010-10-29T09:38:14.659-06:002010-10-29T09:38:14.659-06:00i like your website. and i've included some o...i like your website. and i've included some of your articles in my blog. of course naming you as the author and posting a link.<br /><br />i don't believe those were Outlaws because the wasn't any hard core violence. photographing bikers is a no-no. Outlaws are a Hell's Angel's style of biking. not your small town biker club.winston smithhttp://www.blog2.tshirt-doctor.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-69304815416618260812010-10-29T09:08:08.585-06:002010-10-29T09:08:08.585-06:00The woman who was supposedly "curbstomped&quo...The woman who was supposedly "curbstomped" was disguised and carrying false ID in order to conceal her identity. She had already assaulted Dr. Paul a few seconds before she was restrained and was charging him again when she was stopped. Her head was not stomped, a foot was put on her back to hold her down. Who knew if she was armed? The men who stopped her were defending Dr. Paul from what could have been a serious assault.<br /><br />As for Martinez, how long before he is no longer Marine Martinez and is Officer Martinez out on contact patrol on American streets?Chris Mallorynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-2275007430698960202010-10-29T05:03:26.217-06:002010-10-29T05:03:26.217-06:00The Rolling Stones used bikers as security at Alta...The Rolling Stones used bikers as security at Altamont. It didn't work out too well for the guy that was stabbed. Oh well this ain't the summer of love as Blue Oyster Cult said in a song. *Winstone Smithy aka Anonymouse*Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-41105702214338495562010-10-28T20:08:07.344-06:002010-10-28T20:08:07.344-06:00"But on the basis of more than a little perso..."But on the basis of more than a little personal experience I'd far rather deal with bikers than with cops."<br /><br />No doubt.<br /><br />When I've written elsewhere that American's don't live here anymore, I was wrong, some still do, and William N. Grigg is, to me, an American. The others, eh, I don't know wHAt they are, but they sure as heck ain't Americans.<br /><br />Hats off, I wish there were more people like you in the USA.<br /><br />Let Freedom Ring!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-16519429778464958122010-10-28T18:02:50.017-06:002010-10-28T18:02:50.017-06:00JP, on my Facebook page I've made pretty exten...JP, on my Facebook page I've made pretty extensive mention of the detestable Kentucky curb-stomper and Joe Miller's Freikorps. Thankfully, Miller looks like a declining stock. I've not been impressed by Rand Paul, so if he loses I won't be upset.<br /><br />Not all thugs are bikers, and not every biker is a thug. As I point out above, there are plenty of nasty people in biker gangs, including the Outlaws. But on the basis of more than a little personal experience I'd far rather deal with bikers than with cops.<br /><br />I'm neither a Republican nor a drug user -- lapsed, current, or aspiring. I do believe in the principle of self-ownership, however. <br /><br />Our pious forebears of a century or so ago lived in a country in which there were few if any laws against drug consumption. Cocaine was advertised as a topical analgesic and available in apothecaries and at soda fountains. <br /><br />It wasn't until Nixon that drug prohibition became institutionalized as a national priority, as a cynical political ploy: Nixon wanted to exploit a cultural fault line by rallying blue-collar Democrats against them damn dirty hippies and their disreputable black friends.<br /><br />"The whole problem is really the blacks," Nixon said in a 1969 drug policy briefing. "The key is to devise a system that recognizes this while not appearing to." (CF Ben Ehrenreich's superb piece in the current London Review of Books.) So it is that today we have wildly disproportionate rates of incarceration for black and "Hispanic" drug offenders. This is a <i>far</i> nastier form of racism than anything practiced by even the most loathsome white supremacist gangs.William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-41459447711510070492010-10-28T17:43:45.379-06:002010-10-28T17:43:45.379-06:00"Using and dealing drugs" shouldn't ..."Using and dealing drugs" shouldn't be a crime? Where are you getting this? It's been said that a libertarian is just a Republican who wants to smoke pot but I thought you were better than this, William.<br /><br />It ought to be noted that your good ole boys in that biker gang of West's also don't allow black people, which West even mentioned. That means they wouldn't have you or, ironically, West among their number because, Vietnam vets or no, they're racists.<br /><br />How can one be a racist and not a thug? And how can a black man not only downplay their racism but completely gloss over it?<br /><br />These guys are thugs, William, and they're no better than Rand Paul's or Eric Cantor's supporters or Joe Miller's faux Blackwater mercs. Or didn't you see the video shot by Klein's videographer? They took a swing at the kid and took down his plate number.<br /><br />If that isn't thuggery, then I'd hate to see your definition of the word.jurassicporkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01673461210301442978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-36649613565626438082010-10-28T10:26:02.277-06:002010-10-28T10:26:02.277-06:00Little "gangstas" taking their orders fr...Little "gangstas" taking their orders from the chief Gangstas in DC. If any one is a p**** it has to be Martinez and everyone like him.MoThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13996714804361467430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-84681934427938117832010-10-28T08:22:10.708-06:002010-10-28T08:22:10.708-06:00You have a winning way of stating facts Brother. ...You have a winning way of stating facts Brother. No mincing of words, no euphemistic politically corrected descriptions, I like it. If I'm any judge of a mans' scholarship William is a prodigy. You have clearly done your homework and know exactly what you think when you post. Your conclusions about the state of America are not comforting for truth and freedom lovers, are they? Not long now eh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-22751171468126674122010-10-27T23:44:17.629-06:002010-10-27T23:44:17.629-06:00Powerfull William.
I must admit that portions of ...Powerfull William.<br /><br />I must admit that portions of this piece made me uncomfortable. Something I had yet to experience in reading your work. Having read this I see contrast from your earlier commentary, which originally brought me here on a regular basis. <br /><br />This one stirred some very dense themes. Provoked thought. Your efforts are appreciated.Kamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09010229890257286026noreply@blogger.com