tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post2451734857749643388..comments2017-04-13T04:47:21.148-06:00Comments on Pro Libertate: The Torture State's Domestic FaceWilliam N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-4088950157087049852010-05-03T14:57:04.547-06:002010-05-03T14:57:04.547-06:00You are all looking at the poor criminal. What abo...You are all looking at the poor criminal. What about the officers who take the physical and verbal abuse from these out of control criminals. We do not pay our police and corrections officers to be abused and assualted. We pay them to protect us and sometimes protect us from ourselves. Do some go pver board - Yes. Are some abusive - Yes. But most are hard working men and women who want to help those who cannot help themselves. If it requires restraining someone in a chair to stop them from hurting another person, officer or not, or from hurting themselves then go for it. If it is abusive they will be dealt with. BUt don't lose sight the the criminals behavior got them there to begin with...<br /><br />MRCx209Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-45285045269123505252010-03-08T13:51:50.716-07:002010-03-08T13:51:50.716-07:00My father was of the many that were put in this &q...My father was of the many that were put in this "devils chair", he was the one asking to call his attorney, which he had the right to do. The phone inside the cell wasn't working so he was knocking on the glass and saying "I want my phone call" He was flat out told that "you don't get a phone call down here". He was persistant about it and was thrown to the ground...bleeding, and had a hood put on his head, as the cops were laughing in the background. The whole thing caught on their own surveilence tapes. He asked "what did I do wrong, ask for an attorney?" They just said, "you aren't cooperating. They left him in that "devils chair" for 8 and 1/2 hours. <br /><br />They had arrested him for being "drunk in public", yet he was arguing with his girlfriend INSIDE the apartment. Nothing physical, just both being loud. Yes, they had been drinking, but they were inside the apartment. The cops asked him to step outside to talk to him, then arrested him for being "drunk in public". It was a bunch of bullshit! After leaving him in that chair and abusing him, they let him go the next morning WITHOUT CHARGING HIM with anything! They just were on a power trip, as usual. <br /><br />Don't get me wrong, I don't think all cops are like this. In fact, it was one "good" one that knew what was going on was wrong, and that's why Internal Affairs got involved. Of course there was part of the tape that had been erased, so who knows what happened during those horrible minutes!<br /><br />Another woman, arrested for the same thing, was put in this chair with a hood and had fake electrodes put on her hands and was told they were going to execute her! Also let go without being charged for ANYTHING! Where is the justice in this?? When will something be done to stop it. Yes, it was the largest lawsuit ever won against Sac County Sherrif's Department, but why is this chair still being used?? The point of this chair to begin with is to prevent someone from hurting themselves or someone else. Obviously asking to call your attorney isn't a threat to anyone. <br /><br />WHEN WILL IT STOP???justicenownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-9607631790171008682010-03-08T13:50:07.464-07:002010-03-08T13:50:07.464-07:00My father was of the many that were put in this &q...My father was of the many that were put in this "devils chair", he was the one asking to call his attorney, which he had the right to do. The phone inside the cell wasn't working so he was knocking on the glass and saying "I want my phone call" He was flat out told that "you don't get a phone call down here". He was persistant about it and was thrown to the ground...bleeding, and had a hood put on his head, as the cops were laughing in the background. The whole thing caught on their own surveilence tapes. He asked "what did I do wrong, ask for an attorney?" They just said, "you aren't cooperating. They left him in that "devils chair" for 8 and 1/2 hours. <br /><br />They had arrested him for being "drunk in public", yet he was arguing with his girlfriend INSIDE the apartment. Nothing physical, just both being loud. Yes, they had been drinking, but they were inside the apartment. The cops asked him to step outside to talk to him, then arrested him for being "drunk in public". It was a bunch of bullshit! After leaving him in that chair and abusing him, they let him go the next morning WITHOUT CHARGING HIM with anything! They just were on a power trip, as usual. <br /><br />Don't get me wrong, I don't think all cops are like this. In fact, it was one "good" one that knew what was going on was wrong, and that's why Internal Affairs got involved. Of course there was part of the tape that had been erased, so who knows what happened during those horrible minutes!<br /><br />Another woman, arrested for the same thing, was put in this chair with a hood and had fake electrodes put on her hands and was told they were going to execute her! Also let go without being charged for ANYTHING! Where is the justice in this?? When will something be done to stop it. Yes, it was the largest lawsuit ever won against Sac County Sherrif's Department, but why is this chair still being used?? The point of this chair to begin with is to prevent someone from hurting themselves or someone else. Obviously asking to call your attorney isn't a threat to anyone. <br /><br />WHEN WILL IT STOP???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-7334189295720148452010-03-08T13:47:05.110-07:002010-03-08T13:47:05.110-07:00My father was of the many that were put in this &q...My father was of the many that were put in this "devils chair", he was the one asking to call his attorney, which he had the right to do. The phone inside the cell wasn't working so he was knocking on the glass and saying "I want my phone call" He was flat out told that "you don't get a phone call down here". He was persistant about it and was thrown to the ground...bleeding, and had a hood put on his head, as the cops were laughing in the background. The whole thing caught on their own surveilence tapes. He asked "what did I do wrong, ask for an attorney?" They just said, "you aren't cooperating. They left him in that "devils chair" for 8 and 1/2 hours. <br /><br />They had arrested him for being "drunk in public", yet he was arguing with his girlfriend INSIDE the apartment. Nothing physical, just both being loud. Yes, they had been drinking, but they were inside the apartment. The cops asked him to step outside to talk to him, then arrested him for being "drunk in public". It was a bunch of bullshit! After leaving him in that chair and abusing him, they let him go the next morning WITHOUT CHARGING HIM with anything! They just were on a power trip, as usual. <br /><br />Don't get me wrong, I don't think all cops are like this. In fact, it was one "good" one that knew what was going on was wrong, and that's why Internal Affairs got involved. Of course there was part of the tape that had been erased, so who knows what happened during those horrible minutes!<br /><br />Another woman, arrested for the same thing, was put in this chair with a hood and had fake electrodes put on her hands and was told they were going to execute her! Also let go without being charged for ANYTHING! Where is the justice in this?? When will something be done to stop it. Yes, it was the largest lawsuit ever won against Sac County Sherrif's Department, but why is this chair still being used?? The point of this chair to begin with is to prevent someone from hurting themselves or someone else. Obviously asking to call your attorney isn't a threat to anyone. <br /><br />WHEN WILL IT STOP???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-68025746303451701902009-01-24T19:03:00.000-07:002009-01-24T19:03:00.000-07:00Your link to the new location of the video results...Your link to the new location of the video results in: "Server Error in '/' Application.<BR/>The resource cannot be found."chumgrinderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09328592756542399266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-12476712351585857602009-01-11T01:06:00.000-07:002009-01-11T01:06:00.000-07:00Funny you call them "skinheads"- they didn't even ...Funny you call them "skinheads"- they didn't even have buzzed hair. *rolls eyes*Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-33825213289725027582008-09-17T19:35:00.000-06:002008-09-17T19:35:00.000-06:00What is happening to this country? This is terrify...What is happening to this country? This is terrifying. Also, the pictures are horrifying. <BR/><BR/>God bless,<BR/>Fionamens padded underwearhttp://www.skiviez.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-88912467223556631042008-03-13T15:14:00.000-06:002008-03-13T15:14:00.000-06:00Maybe we can put these officers with Ted Haggard. ...Maybe we can put these officers with Ted Haggard. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-41502557943810719832008-03-13T15:12:00.000-06:002008-03-13T15:12:00.000-06:00Didn't mention this woman was drunk, out of contro...Didn't mention this woman was drunk, out of control, and disrespectful to officers.<BR/><BR/>Don't think you need to refer the officers as "skin heads". Maybe like your other followers of fiction you can touch little boys. Don't cast stones BuddyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1566373593405310832008-02-28T20:51:00.000-07:002008-02-28T20:51:00.000-07:00Litigation? In a government court? Yeah, that'll w...Litigation? In a government court? Yeah, that'll work. .....a long chain of abuses...... I think you can look up the rest. Carry a gun, use it. DO NOT call the police. Practice being a "Grey Man"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-74217866896262500022008-02-16T20:55:00.000-07:002008-02-16T20:55:00.000-07:00The only viable solution to the torture, isolate, ...The only viable solution to the torture, isolate, and destroy attitude of the prison-industrial complex, which extends everywhere in America including the HR department at YOUR office, is LITIGATION. The special interests have taken over the government and the people are either apathetic or, to a certain extent, themselves sadistic. As much as I hate to bring the government into personal issues, lawsuits against the GOVERNMENT and government-empowered thugs, will change this situation.Jay P Chawlanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-2086228179023209892008-02-13T08:57:00.000-07:002008-02-13T08:57:00.000-07:00Here is a link to the video http://www.youtube.com...Here is a link to the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ku7pbvOr2YAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-49885063317521545862008-02-10T19:45:00.000-07:002008-02-10T19:45:00.000-07:00The roosters have come home to roost:Suing will ge...The roosters have come home to roost:<BR/><BR/>Suing will get no one any where; the system is rigged against human rights as witnessed in Jena. Welcome to the police state. Get used to being terrorized by the state government just like the U.S. government have terrorized indigenous people around the world under the disguise that capitalism and "democracy" is good for everyone. <BR/><BR/>When I was a member of a group against the death penalty, I knew that rape and torture happened in our prison system for years and pointed it out to others. Yet I was told by fellow whites that the women and men there (the majority are African-Americans) were criminals who deserved to be “treated roughly” and even killed.<BR/><BR/>As an Amnesty International activist for several years, I knew that the moment that the United States openly tortured for all to see (and no longer in secret as they have done for 50 years ) that it would come home to U.S. American citizens. Yet when I pointed this out to fellow Americans, I was told to calm down (the usual sexist stuff) nothing would happen to anyone who were not “terrorists”. Now, any government agency has the power to point at any American citizen and say that they have supported a terrorist organization or are terrorists, and they will rot in jail, after being tortured and/or raped during the government’s “interrogations”.<BR/><BR/>As I watched bills pass through Congress these last 6 years and signed into law by Bush which have destroyed our Constitutional rights and have watched the police and ICE get away with killing more and more people, white, black, brown and red, without going to court more less to jail for what the average joe or jane would spend the rest of their lives in prison for, I know that we have arrived at a police state. Do I hear the typical denials anymore? “Oh, no it can’t happen here!” Baloney. Understand now that what has happened to Hope happens to a lot of people in our society that the corporation-owned media will never report on as they give us the usual circuses (exusse me, news) to keep us entertained and therefore, pacified.<BR/><BR/>As I watch videos on large crowds of people sitting or standing passively nearby and silently let a few security guards or police taser young and old people to death, I am scared for my fellow Americans and scared of them. Yet I have had to faced the fact that U.S. Americans will deserve what is coming, hauled off to concentrations camps (exusse me, detention centers) when martial law is proclaimed in this country under the disguise of the next “terror” event. Are we ready to revolt yet?<BR/><BR/>It will do us no good; the S.S. troops (excusse me, the police, the national guard, Blackwater mercenaries or another “authority”) will just shoot us in the head just like they did to people in New Orleans and do now to other people in other countries who dare to fight back … the U.S. government and the media calls them “insurgents” or “gooks” as McCain would have it. When will we dare to break the vicious circle of history and just how can we do it?Deborahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-651239121585523962008-02-10T16:18:00.000-07:002008-02-10T16:18:00.000-07:00If skinhead goons did that to my wife or anyone I ...If skinhead goons did that to my wife or anyone I care about, I wouldn't bother suing. I would just kill them. Really.johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-60727231326683461062008-02-10T13:20:00.000-07:002008-02-10T13:20:00.000-07:00Two books by Kristian Williams that everyone shoul...Two books by Kristian Williams that everyone should read: <BR/><I>Our Enemies in Blue: Police and Power in America</I>, South End Press(August 2007)ISBN: 0896087719 <BR/><BR/>From Booklist: Beginning with its provocative title, Williams' account of contemporary law enforcement argues that instances of police brutality in the U.S. are not aberrations but, instead, reflect the long, symbiotic relationship between those in power and the police hired to protect that power.<BR/><BR/><I>American Methods: Torture And the Logic of Domination</I>, South End Press (May 2006)ISBN: 0896087530Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-66920488737146039162008-02-10T06:20:00.000-07:002008-02-10T06:20:00.000-07:00Hmmm, some of you vote for and pay 'people' whose ...Hmmm, some of you vote for and pay 'people' whose only tools are the threat of violence and violence and then you get upset when they use them. Brilliant!!outside looking innoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-78945307666521101232008-02-09T23:19:00.000-07:002008-02-09T23:19:00.000-07:00"Welcome To Stark County! We Like You Stark Naked"..."Welcome To Stark County! We Like You Stark Naked"Alrightynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-37623921992019682812008-02-08T23:09:00.000-07:002008-02-08T23:09:00.000-07:00Dear Anonymous,You asked: "Somebody help me with t...Dear Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>You asked: "Somebody help me with this: I grew up in the 50's and 60's, in the South. We were taught to have nothing but the utmost respect for the police. Was that a fool's dream?" <BR/><BR/>You are right. I believe the rank-and-file police have changed. You never saw a SWAT team then, did you? Now SWAT teams come out if a wife calls to complain that her husband is smoking in the house. Soon they will be sending out armored cars and tanks. Boys will have their fun. As to why and how this happened, rather than go over it all again, please see if my observations after Mr. Grigg's article "Snitching for the State" help to explain the phenomenon. My posting is currently the last comment in that blog. <BR/><BR/>Kind regards,<BR/>Chris Taylor<BR/>Arlington, VALemuel Gullivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-45130146096994184752008-02-08T22:50:00.000-07:002008-02-08T22:50:00.000-07:00Dear Mr. Grigg,You wrote: "Yet several of Arpaio's...Dear Mr. Grigg,<BR/><BR/>You wrote: "Yet several of Arpaio's heroes seized the helpless paraplegic and confined him in a restraint chair, cinching down the straps with such force that they broke his neck. He sued the County – one of many to do so as a result of criminal abuse or the death of a loved one at the hands of Arpaio's trained simians -- and received an $800,000 settlement."<BR/><BR/>Your second commentator also said: "Every time that this happens the victim needs to sue! City attorneys need to be buried in a sea of litigation! This won't change until it becomes prohibitively expensive to allow state employees to behave in such a manner."<BR/><BR/>Here is the problem I see with all this: Who pays the penalties for these atrocities is WE the taxpayers - you and me. Why should my taxes have to increase, or my city services be curtailed, to pay for atrocities commitied by these apes whose salaries I am also paying?<BR/><BR/>The officers themselves should be forced to pay these settlements - their homes should be seized, their bank accounts emptied, their children's education accounts emptied, their wages garnished for the next 20 years and their wives' wages also garnished as long as they remain married. I guarantee that then - and only then - will these abusive behaviors stop.<BR/><BR/>Why should they hide behind their employment status? After all, if I shoot a fellow worker dead on the job, the law does not say, "Oh, he was at work. Let us punish the company he works for." You see how ridiculous that is? Why should these men and women get off scot free while their employer - you and me - pays?<BR/><BR/>As long as the maximum penalty these abusers have to face - the absolute maximum, which they often in fact escape - is the loss of their present job, they will keep on doing it.<BR/><BR/>As you observed about the Post lawsuit: "He sued the County – one of many to do so as a result of criminal abuse or the death of a loved one at the hands of Arpaio's trained simians." Obviously, these lawsuits are NOT deterring the apes from doing it again - and again - and again.<BR/><BR/>The same applies to corporate malfeasance. CEO's draw hundred-million-dollar salaries paid for by dangerous products and illegal pollution of the environment. Yet, when lawsuits bankrupt the company, the CEO walks away smiling with a two-hundred-million-dollar severance package, while the innocent shareholders and employees lose their shirts.<BR/><BR/>This is alleged to be a country of law, but it is not a country of justice. The guilty walk away laughing while the innocent end up paying for their crimes.<BR/><BR/>Kind wishes,<BR/>Chris Taylor<BR/>Arlington, VA<BR/><BR/>PS: This is a fact you and your readers should know about the Post case: Paraplegics often suffer involuntary and sometimes violent spasms of the legs similar to epileptic seizures, due to the firing of nerves which are beyond their control. One of the only effective ways to control or abate these spasms is Cannabis Sativa - marijuana. (You can also take enough sedatives to knock you out cold.) However, the federal government refuses to legalize medical marijuana, even as a prescription drug, and many paraplegics in desperation resort to breaking the law in order to get relief. So do not blame Mr. Post for his one gram of marijuana and for "Being a druggie and having gotten what he deserved" - suppose this was done to you because you took an aspirin for a headache, would you feel you had gotten just what you deserved?Lemuel Gullivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-32695034629204462192008-02-08T21:35:00.000-07:002008-02-08T21:35:00.000-07:00The only way to stop these maggots is by force. T...The only way to stop these maggots is by force. They long ago gave up any pretense of being law enforcement officers and are now merely thugs... they deserve no further protection from the public.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-20252695075836611392008-02-08T19:26:00.000-07:002008-02-08T19:26:00.000-07:00THe goons who do this to innocent people should ha...THe goons who do this to innocent people should have their genitalia ripped out in public.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-21418539332043755082008-02-08T15:09:00.000-07:002008-02-08T15:09:00.000-07:00Please visit www.bollyn.com to see how some of our...Please visit www.bollyn.com to see how some of our Homeland Security inspired police thugs violently assualted and arrested internationally recognized investigative journalist Christopher Bollyn in front of his terror stricken wife and 8 year old daughter after Bollyn himself, like the woman in this video had called 911 for assistance. As if this were not bad enough, he was subsequently falsely charged with crimes he never committed as part of a standard operating police cover-up procedure (sopcup). Later at his trial conducted by a rabid Zionist judge (in which crucial evidence for the defense such as police video recordings were unconstitutionally kept out) the police blatantly perjured themselves and the dumbed down jury believed the lying police.<BR/><BR/>Please visit bollyn.com and support this courageous journalist, Christopher Bollyn who has put his life on the line in exposing the lies behind 9-11 and a number of critical issues facing Americans.<BR/>James B. PhillipsJAMES B. PHILLIPSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-88927461309051306182008-02-08T13:06:00.000-07:002008-02-08T13:06:00.000-07:00Dear Mr Grigg:Thank you for your article on the ha...Dear Mr Grigg:<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your article on the hand-raping of the woman in OH. I'm not at all surprised that this has happened. I wonder if stuff like this is spread around to intimidate people into staying home. If you are at home, afraid, your behaviour may be much easier, for those you fear, to control.<BR/>DocDoc Ellis 124http://www.blogger.com/profile/08543939658083915285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-75430472164011221152008-02-08T11:31:00.000-07:002008-02-08T11:31:00.000-07:00Someboy help me with this: I grew up in the 50's a...Someboy help me with this: I grew up in the 50's and 60's, in the South. We were taught to have nothing but the utmost respect for the police. My internalized image of the police in those days, was that they were highly moral, ultra law abiding men, who were a cut above the rest of us...that's why they were invested with the power that they had. Was that a fool's dream? Was I totally wrong about that? I am wondering if the police have, in reality, always been marginal characters who, far from being a cut above the rest of us, were then, and are especially today, a few notches below a carp in the food chain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-86835247089891415062008-02-08T10:53:00.000-07:002008-02-08T10:53:00.000-07:00The deputies (both male and female) who perpetrate...The deputies (both male and female) who perpetrated this atrocity should be forced to strip naked and then be forced to walk down the street in Canton, holding signs proclaiming "I stripped and humiliated Hope Steffey." That could possibly break up some of the Stalinist police tactics in this country. Thanks Mr. Grigg, for another excellent piece.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com