tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post1418032462903079035..comments2017-04-13T04:47:21.148-06:00Comments on Pro Libertate: Massacre at V-Tech: Death by GovernmentWilliam N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-35797446143646275592007-04-23T01:17:00.000-06:002007-04-23T01:17:00.000-06:00Will -If fire departments reacted to fires the way...Will -<BR/><BR/>If fire departments reacted to fires the way SWAT teams react to school hostage/killing situations, they would prevent people from leaving the building, stand back to make sure they weren't injured, wait until the fire went out, hose down the embers, escort any survivors out of the building (with their hands on their heads), remove the bodies, write nice reports, and take "twenty seven 8 x 10 color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one."Mister Spockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04790678390017800846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-17467658644344171482007-04-19T09:21:00.000-06:002007-04-19T09:21:00.000-06:00The imagery I have of this tragedy is a bunch of o...The imagery I have of this tragedy is a bunch of overweight law enforcement officers from the campus, city, and state police hiding behind trees and cars trying not to get shot.rofnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-30594742100905717992007-04-17T23:15:00.000-06:002007-04-17T23:15:00.000-06:00The Columbine tragedy changed the so-called rules ...The Columbine tragedy changed the so-called rules for responding to such incidents. At that time the mind set and training of SWAT teams was geared toward showing up on a scene where some crazed gunman was holding hostages for whatever reason, or a wanted and armed man barricaded himself in a building. These scenarios would be stabilized ones, i.e. "Alright, Rocky. We know you're in there" types of deals.<BR/><BR/>During that time the thought of a slaughter of this magnitude-in a school of all places, in an environment where hundreds of kids are either running for their lives through the halls, many others hiding beneath desks or anywhere they can, pipe bombs in back packs remaining God knows where, while the sprinkler system and fire alarm in the school are activated, well......it's a terrible dream. One that no SWAT team or cop ever even thought of having to deal with. <BR/><BR/>I do agree that a natural, human, and manly response would be to "ride to the sound of the guns." SWAT teams arrive later, though. It's not like they are all dressed up waiting for something happen.<BR/><BR/>But eventually the guns ceased to fire because- unbeknownst to those outside- the monsters self inflicted. Some probably believed the possibility existed that this horror transformed itself into one of those "All right, Rocky. We know you're in there" types of deals. <BR/><BR/> There is much emphasis on "officer safety" during routine operations. During hostage rescue situations "officer safety" is not a concern. Now how many MEN step forward and perform is another issue.<BR/><BR/>I think the court opinion mentioned in the post refers to the police being obligated to protect someone in a situation like this: Officer. "My husband, who I have a restraining order against, said he's going to come over here and finish me off." I'm not saying this is what was argued, but under these circumstances are the police obligated to set up guards and surveillance for this person for however long? According to this case, no. This serves as a reminder to those who put faith in others for their own safety. <BR/><BR/>Unfortunately many of the same judges do more harm by eliminating or curtailing a citizens God given right to defend themselves. Although I do not like to rely on a court ruling to make a point (common sense is simpler), the case proclaiming the police are not obligated to protect anyone is a great one to cite for those who promote self preservation.Fredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00447111416321992256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-8397393616018541752007-04-17T20:15:00.000-06:002007-04-17T20:15:00.000-06:00It should be noted that, as concerns government re...It should be noted that, as concerns government restrictions (legality) of firearms on campuses in Virginia as it currently stands, it's not illegal for those with CCPs to carry firearms (handguns) on campuses. The problem is that the universities themselves have in place draconian regulations forbidding the possession of firearms on their campuses. If students or faculty ignore those regulations they face expulsion or termination respectively. Ergo, most do not risk it. So, in this particular case, it's not so much the LAW standing in the way, but people's ignorance and wayward belief that the police will protect and safeguard them.<BR/><BR/>Why do the commoners continue to believe that the police will protect them, despite the mountain of demonstrable evidence, not to mention court rulings, to the contrary? I mean they can now overtly and above board convey as much via booby productions like COPS and yet people remain blind to the truth.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, if I was a wagerer I'd wager high dollar, with the highest confidence, that this atrocity will fuel the gun-control fanatics with newfound energy to legislate even more restrictions. As Grigg alluded to, when bad things happen, whether due directly <I>or indirectly</I> to government policies, the commoners can always be counted upon to cry out for MORE of those policies from that same government.<BR/><BR/>Sigh, it's as if the commoners want to throw water on a grease fire in the vain hope that it will put it out.dixiedoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09845646940134894119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-37730945074342038412007-04-17T14:00:00.000-06:002007-04-17T14:00:00.000-06:00Regarding "what the hell is it about April, anyway...Regarding "what the hell is it about April, anyway?", not all the events are independent. Hitler's birthday was April 20th, and I think the Columbine attack was planned to occur on his birthday. The Waco murders were on April 19th (no connection to Hitler that I know of), but of course the OK City bombing was [supposedly] designed to occur on the anniversary of Waco.<BR/><BR/>The Warsaw Ghetto uprising began on April 19th: the SS figured that it could complete the task in a day, and wanted to present a gift to Hitler for his birthday.Henry Bowmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-70901394674425042762007-04-17T11:37:00.000-06:002007-04-17T11:37:00.000-06:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Jerri Lynn Ward, J.D.http://www.blogger.com/profile/10097381893555114911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-3371920586289100092007-04-17T09:55:00.000-06:002007-04-17T09:55:00.000-06:00I seem to recall phrases in this country's foundin...I seem to recall phrases in this country's founding documents about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I seem to recall that it was stated that the purpose of government was to ensure that the rights of the citizenry were to be protected by the government and that protection was the government's primary purpose. It seems to me that the majority of the populace (present company at this blog excepted), including the elected "representatives" are either too stupid, complacent or evil to ponder the simple meanings found in the founding documents that were laid in place as the foundation of this once great Republic.<BR/><BR/>As a result, I fully expect the Statists in D.C. and here in my home of California will do thier best to try and take away my firearms, because "everyone" knows that a whole passle more gun laws will solve the problem (sarcasm intended). Virtually no one will be interested in the fact that states that have "shall issue" CW permits have experienced a statistically significant reduction in violent crime. <BR/><BR/>I just get so tired of this battle to conserve my 2nd Ammendment Rights.Captain Kirkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05111692386028869573noreply@blogger.com