tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post1387265251441372178..comments2017-04-13T04:47:21.148-06:00Comments on Pro Libertate: Sheriffs as Slavemasters: Will Inmate Labor Be Used to Build Trump's Wall? William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-31643313762778886742017-01-09T12:00:06.455-07:002017-01-09T12:00:06.455-07:00Good point. I once had an uninsured driver hit me ...Good point. I once had an uninsured driver hit me and destroy my little pick up. The deductible I had was 1,000 on uninsured driver on the property side. The state had very large fines for uninsured drivers. So I called up the state to ask them if I could get some of the fine to help with my loss on the deductible. They said, "no that I had no avenues to get any of the fine". I made the point of pointing out that the state had no losses and I was the crime victim and I did have loses. They would have none of it. So I said, that I would not file the paperwork to the state that I had an accident with an uninsured driver. That really set them off, telling me about allowing such a driver to stay on the road could cause others as myself to suffer loses. Of course my point of pointing out if the state was so worried about crime victims loses in such matters why not give us some of the large fine. What a bunch of scam artist in government to feed off of the people. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-19611693722543603792017-01-09T08:17:23.469-07:002017-01-09T08:17:23.469-07:00Libertarianism begins from the premise that each p...Libertarianism begins from the premise that each person owns him- or herself, and that initiating force against another individual is innately immoral.<br /><br />Being "forced to work" against one's will is always and everywhere wrong -- <i>unless</i> this is done to make specific, individual restitution to another whose property rights were violated by the one subject to such compulsion. For example: If person A has stolen from person B, the former can be properly required to serve a term of indentured labor to the latter to compensate for the theft. <br /><br />Since the evil abstraction called the state can legitimately own nothing, it has no moral claim to compensation, and thus cannot compel people to work on its behalf for any purpose -- or so the libertarian perspective dictates. Our current system names the "state" as the plaintiff in every criminal prosecution, which means that the actual victim of a genuine crime does not receive restitution in any way. <br /><br />As noted above, the chief business of the state's "justice" system in recent years has been arresting and prosecuting people in the service of drug prohibition, not actual criminals who have inflicted injury on others. <br /><br />I should point out, Gil, that your probation where this comment thread is concerned does not grant you the luxury of a slow-motion "Gish Gallop." William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-84229881325580170992017-01-08T21:02:13.735-07:002017-01-08T21:02:13.735-07:00Au contraire, from a Libertarian standpoint slaver...Au contraire, from a Libertarian standpoint slavery doesn't mean "forced to work against their will" but "unjustly forced to work against their will". It's safe to say those who get a long prison stint with the probability of hard labor are serious-level criminals who have seriously harmed others and as such don't have to right to complain about the loss of their rights.Gilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-41496198339306258312017-01-08T12:05:40.425-07:002017-01-08T12:05:40.425-07:00The first picture is perfect. It has been said, th...The first picture is perfect. It has been said, the people of Egypt were a "proud race". When in fact many of the Egyptian population were people with demising goals. Kind of like the USA, where many pay more than half of what they earn in wages to government in, direct or indirect taxing scams. So much for the second 13th Amendment of 1867. <br />Will said, "A majority of people convicted of offenses in this country haven't committed crimes against persons or property, so there is no victim to compensate."<br />The whole truth under a government of a Constitutional Republic, the statement holds itself to be absolutely true. However in modern times, where governments on all levels have become, for profit corporations that operate under the lie of a government that serves the people. That statement of Will's is seen as incorrect to all the people who live off of such a government. The crime/s these people have committed is, being unlucky to get caught up in laws that were put in place to bring in revenue to the, for profit government/s. The more government grows the more laws are made up that will bring in revenue to feed the larger government. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-40493937806756153312017-01-08T08:08:46.207-07:002017-01-08T08:08:46.207-07:00Libertarians generally support restitution to vict...Libertarians generally support restitution to victims, which can be accomplished through material compensation (e.g. paying back what one has illicitly acquired through theft or fraud) or limited-term indentured service <i>to the victim</i> -- not to the abstraction called "society" or the malignant fiction called the "state." <br /><br />A majority of people convicted of offenses in this country haven't committed crimes against persons or property, so there is no victim to compensate. This is particularly true of people being detained in county jails of the kind Hodgson operates. Furthermore, a plurality, if not majority, of jail detainees consists of people yet to be convicted of offenses, which means imposing involuntary servitude on them for any reason is facially unconstitutional (and, more importantly, immoral).<br /><br />On the subject of probation:<br /><br />Per your previous performance, Gil, you are allowed to comment on a probationary basis. Trolling is permissible, but lying -- a practice for which you have made yourself notorious -- is not. William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-58159879624229406912017-01-07T21:30:44.893-07:002017-01-07T21:30:44.893-07:00I thought Libertarians had no problem with forced ...I thought Libertarians had no problem with forced labor in return for punishment for a crime. After all it's Constitutional.Gilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-71034673516881020922017-01-06T21:13:28.042-07:002017-01-06T21:13:28.042-07:00Trump's heart surely lies with free markets an...<i>Trump's heart surely lies with free markets and private enterprise and I think one can expect Trump to move to replace government security with private when expediency so permits.</i><br /><br />As Jake wryly said at the end of Hemingway's book, "Isn't it pretty to think so?"William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-4247245186414977942017-01-06T21:06:53.075-07:002017-01-06T21:06:53.075-07:00Trump has taken on the entire establishment politi...Trump has taken on the entire establishment political class - neocon and neoliberalacon alike - and their enablers in the establishment media - and the very dangerous rogue US intelligence services. Trump has made clear in no uncertain terms that he is keen to bring an end to the brutal reign of terror wrought by the international component of the US police state - in response to which in a thinly veiled threat issued by Senator Chuck Schumer Trump was told what was in store for him if he didn't back down. One must assume that Trump likewise seeks to dismantle the internal component of the US police state - and he has clearly moved to do so regarding the onerous tyrannical US commissariats such as EPA, SEC, IRS etc. As well note that Trump has resorted to private security for his current security, a tacit declaration of the same misgivings toward government security harbored by most Americans. So one can surely understand how at the moment - facing the sort of threat by the establishment political class never seen before in American history - Trump cannot afford to simultaneously take on the state and municipal police unions. But Trump's heart surely lies with free markets and private enterprise and I think one can expect Trump to move to replace government security with private when expediency so permits. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-7925701461913974392017-01-06T19:15:06.631-07:002017-01-06T19:15:06.631-07:00Just goes to show, yet again, why good people can&...Just goes to show, yet again, why good people can't support "law enforcement" and remain good people. #CopsAreScumKent McManigalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05005964583189815410noreply@blogger.com