tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post1233854920818266701..comments2017-04-13T04:47:21.148-06:00Comments on Pro Libertate: Makers vs. Takers: A Firebell in the Night?William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-34405865859904663912008-02-19T23:46:00.000-07:002008-02-19T23:46:00.000-07:00This always reminds me of how often we hear govern...This always reminds me of how often we hear governmental droids telling us how they and business need to more closely "partner" together. <BR/><BR/>LOL! That's called fascism people. <BR/><BR/>Yet that's exactly what we get when you travel this country and find from coast to coast the exact same "businesses", with the help of greedy cash-sucking pols and their zoning diktats, crushing the life, or any other "unique" characteristic in the affected areas.MOThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13996714804361467430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-62564232389473235992008-02-12T20:33:00.000-07:002008-02-12T20:33:00.000-07:00I read Animal Farm sometime in the early years of ...I read Animal Farm sometime in the early years of high school, so I really didn't fully understand the significance of that at the time, but yes, I do remember that. <BR/><BR/>As for the citations, I don't know if you are referring to citation against myself or the person I had to evict, so I'll answer the question both ways. The person that was evicted was an otherwise perfect resident. She never had a neighbor complaint. Our only problem with her were her money issues. As for myself, I was never written up - not even once. In fact, I received a few awards for a job well done. Just because I hated the job, that didn't mean I wasn't good at it. <BR/><BR/>And as for your last question, I have no way of knowing if they were ever separate, but the relationship does seem to currently be more extreme. I don't remember ever reading about another time in our history when businessmen, like the ones in Infragard, were being trained in martial law implementation. I may be wrong about this, but I don't think corporations and our government have ever been this intertwined.Jen Clarkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04348336664484695694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-8250172793209817752008-02-12T15:13:00.000-07:002008-02-12T15:13:00.000-07:00Jen Clark:Have you read Orwell's "Animal Farm"? D...Jen Clark:<BR/><BR/>Have you read Orwell's "Animal Farm"? Did you happen to notice that at the end of the book, the non-swine animals could not tell the difference between the pigs and the humans? Another question: were any of the citations you got generated by nieghbor complaints?<BR/>Last question: when was the last time "corporate and government interests" were actually separate?<BR/>Doc Ellis 124Doc Ellis 124http://www.blogger.com/profile/08543939658083915285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-12634478058027408812008-02-12T13:23:00.000-07:002008-02-12T13:23:00.000-07:00This is an amazing post. I would like to add to th...This is an amazing post. I would like to add to this:<BR/><BR/><I>After all, if your job description specifically requires that you make innocent, honest, hard-working people angry over the loss of their property, then there is an element of risk in your chosen occupation – and, to be blunt, there should be. Which is why people of that sort should leave government “service” and find a way to make an honest living.</I><BR/><BR/>I would add that people should also leave <B>corporate</B> "service" and find a way to make an honest living.<BR/><BR/>I was in property management for awhile and will never forget when they made me kick out a Katrina victim. She was 24 years old (we were the same age at the time) with a beautiful 5 year old daughter. She wanted her daughter to get the best possible education so she sent her to private school. She was working as a nurse, but had to watch every dollar to afford her one bedroom apartment in Los Angeles and her daughter's school (something that on my salary I myself would have struggled to do). <BR/><BR/>The hurricane wiped out the homes of most of her family members in New Orleans. Naturally, she did whatever she could to get them to the west coast where they had a place to stay. She got one month behind on her rent. <BR/><BR/>For two months I was able to get enough people to turn in every penny they owed us so that I could leave her full rent amount on my report, but have the amount owed low enough to where my bosses would say OK. The third month though, they made me turn her into the attorneys. Despite having her family lose everything and needing to help them, the corporation apparently really, really needed the money. With only $861.8 million in profits that year, they needed the money more than her. <BR/><BR/>On the day of her eviction, we both sat in the courtroom and cried. It was all just so wrong. The next day I quit and decided to do whatever it takes to be able to write for a living (even if that means a lot less cash for awhile). <BR/><BR/>My blog is now my business. Hopefully, someday soon, I'll find a way to make a living doing this without being personally owned by a corporation. I have less stuff, but I'm mentally healthy and happy. The company has lost an employee that did a job well and has been forced to separate the position into two. They are paying $30 per hour for what I did for $15. <BR/><BR/>But we need to stop saying "That's business!" as if it is an excuse for immoral behavior in the same way that the government officials should be ashamed of themselves for aiding to redesign our society in favor of the rich and incorporated. <BR/><BR/>The corporate influence in our government has now gotten to the point that it is getting extremely difficult to separate the interests of the two. I actually think we're seeing a merge. <BR/><BR/>Your thoughts?Jen Clarkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04348336664484695694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-56650354189736357332008-02-11T21:31:00.000-07:002008-02-11T21:31:00.000-07:00Leave the country. New Zealand has been looking pr...Leave the country. New Zealand has been looking pretty good to me recently.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-11773333411621030042008-02-11T21:20:00.000-07:002008-02-11T21:20:00.000-07:00What is the solution?What is the solution?traitor2tyrannynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-69503882747168742262008-02-11T17:18:00.000-07:002008-02-11T17:18:00.000-07:00What I noticed about this most recent case is that...What I noticed about this most recent case is that the moment it was learned that the shooter had been systematically harassed by his victims the news media here in Chicago and nationally DROPPED the story off the news cycle. <BR/><BR/>It seems so much of the 'rage' we see today is directly due to the levels of harassment and idiocy from government and corporate forces along with outright rude and selfish behavior from countless people that have no concern they are sharing the planet with other people that we are supposed to just tolerate. People do not have an infinite tolerance and everyone will eventually snap, the question is only when and after how much? <BR/><BR/>Our society is upside down, even just standing up for one's self these days is wrong. It's the nut case who fights the bogus ticket he got, it's wrong to stand up to some bully on the road, etc and so forth. <BR/><BR/>There is just so much a person can take, and occasionally someone breaks in an explosive manner. These incidents will continue until this society reforms and begins to respect the liberty of other people instead of a constant battle of control freaks and selfishness.Brenthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02378901832979504900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-17786810759617923032008-02-11T10:17:00.000-07:002008-02-11T10:17:00.000-07:00Please click the above link for a video of the res...Please click the above link for a video of the results of the Lawn Police at work.<BR/><BR/>I wonder how many of the people who complain about these problems voted for the same representatives who enact the Planning and Zoning laws.Video of Lawn Policehttp://www.christianlibertyparty.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=40&func=fileinfo&id=55noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-24005985975716633062008-02-11T10:07:00.000-07:002008-02-11T10:07:00.000-07:00Way up in Moscow, Idaho, there were several recent...Way up in Moscow, Idaho, there were several recent years where a small group of citizens (Intoleristas, they were called) and a majority of the city council were misusing zoning laws to harass a church and all of the members. A woman was caught trespassing on the pastor's property with binoculars trained on the house. She was also seen spying on members of this church in an entire neighborhood, trying to find some little thing the Intoleristas could use the zoning laws against them for. In another neighborhood another woman (they don't call this a nanny state for nothing) spied out everything that was happening in every house, and this time it included everyone, to once again, misuse the zoning laws against literally anyone. Some neighbor.<BR/><BR/>The Intoleristas also tried to misuse the zoning laws in any way that they could against the church property, a related college, and private businesses owned by the members of this church.<BR/><BR/>After a lot of expense on both sides (the city could never make the alleged violations of the zoning laws stick), the Intolerista members of the city council were voted out last November. <BR/><BR/>In this case there was no way in a zillion years that the church members would have done violence or anything illegal or immoral against anyone, even though what I have related is just the tip of the iceberg.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-75044367907328061262008-02-11T08:55:00.000-07:002008-02-11T08:55:00.000-07:00Sigh... I am a well educated, 53 year old- once wo...Sigh... I am a well educated, 53 year old- once working middle class white woman and I live in Tacoma, Washington. For those who don't know - it's about 30 miles south of Seattle, an area known for being "liberal". Whatever that means anymore. Anyway, over the past year or two I have received several letters from the city citing me for various things I could not do. I could not park my own car on the street in front of my house unless it had a current tab. I was issued a ticket by the police. The car was still drivable, but I couldnt afford the tabs at the times, the car wasn't hurting anyone, just parked right in fornt of my house. Would have got the tabs when I had money, but now, have tab costs AND a ticket. Later I tabed it and parked it BEHIND my house off the alley. Then I got a letter saying it was "an eyesore" It was wrecked on one side, but I still drove it. Could not afford another car. I got so much grief I finally had to get rid of my car, which was still in perfectly good running condition. I did some small remodeling on my kitchen with my own labor and donated materials, and the pile of debris from the tear out-was lying in my own back yard and that was also an "eyesore" and I was told if I didnt clean it up I could face fines of $150.00 a day. It was winter and raining and cold and I had full intention of cleaning it up come spring.I was actually slowly stacking and sorting wood from the pile to recycle, like a good citizen, but that wasnt good enough. I got 20 days to remove the pile or else.Then I got a letter saying my rose bushes were sticking out to far off my property. Now it's the rosebush police! Then my friend got a letter saying she couldnt keep a pile of clean natural wood chips on her own parking strip! She had a sliped disk and could not clean it up until she healed. No matter. Clean it up or face fines of $150.00 a day! Another firend who has own a couple rentals for years is getting letters saying that if he makes over a certain amount of money he must buy a special expensive license to own rentals. When he has done this here for over 20 years with no special "license". They want to know exactly how much money he makes off his rental property! If that any of their business whatsoever? I think not! The dog pound here in Pierce county which used to be paid for by the taxes of citizens was sold five years ago to a PRIVATE non-profit, but most people still think that the pound is paid for by their tax dollars. Since that time, it now costs money to take an animal IN where as before it was free and-the adoption fees skyrocketed! Not only that, the now private "blackwater dog police" are canvassing neighborhoods all over town and hanging orange tags on peoples gates and checking every box they can on the tag for "possible violations" in order to scare people into what? Getting rid of their dogs? Making more money for their coffers? What's next? Yet the police do not respond when a BLACK woman, who was drunk in her car- was trying to run over her boyfriend while he was walking down our street. They were obviously in a domestic heated argument - I witnessed the whole thing. She was wild, driving over the curbs, gunning the car, trying to hit this man. There were a total of six 911 calls, including mine, for help-not one single police officer ever shown up. I guess they figure that blacks can "kill each other off" like in the gangs. The city has become so oppressive, it's disgusting. And yet the "private" corporations are just as bad. And blacks? Well they are just expendable. The goals- extract as much money out of people as your can, put fear of fines and jail into them all, and use police to protect government and private interests. But the people? Well they can comply or else. Are we all now just cannon fodder? I have not chosen to go shoot up city hall because of all the harrassment. I have complied - for now. However, I think all over this country we have the makings of a fire than could get out of control, so your argument is spot on. No wonder the feds and the military have built over 800 FEMA prisons camps all over Amerika. On March 24, 1997, Bill Hefner, a member of congress wrote a letter about this very thing. It was Army policy to establish civilian inmate labor programs and civilian prison camps on Army installations. Say what? And soldiers are now being asked if they could "kill Americans" including their own friends and family in the event of martial law. No wonder the military is practicing "urban warfare" in our cities. No wonder the FBI is "deputizing" private industry - called Infragard.I suspect they know that the PEOPLE are sick and tired of all the BS being dished out to them by the semi-fascist state that has now come into being. They are afraid of incidents exactly like the Kirkwood tradegy. Angry torch carrying mobs are going to need to be controlled by any means.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-88223115834362328362008-02-10T21:20:00.000-07:002008-02-10T21:20:00.000-07:00What does it mean to "jump the shark"?What does it mean to "jump the shark"?traitor2tyrannynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-34105535097746633572008-02-10T18:19:00.000-07:002008-02-10T18:19:00.000-07:00It's up to you of course, Will, but I don't think ...It's up to you of course, Will, but I don't think I would send Mr. Dondero a copy of your book. He probably just wants to trash it and acuse you of treason to boot. Let him buy it....Allenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01371636085171917630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-6130437153528865252008-02-10T16:20:00.000-07:002008-02-10T16:20:00.000-07:00I am also upset that the fights described above ca...I am also upset that the fights described above came to murder. It is not acceptable. But neither is using law and finance as the "hammer and sickle." There is a book in my home library titled: "The Death of Common Sense - How Law IS Suffocating America." It was published in 1996, and little has improved. The continued plantationizing of our America through law and finance will unfortunately result in more of these actions of desperation. I honestly do not want this for our children's inheritance.Edward Ulysses Catehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12858808540024505651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-64960823946440940222008-02-10T10:44:00.000-07:002008-02-10T10:44:00.000-07:00America no longer has anything left to lose. Ameri...America no longer has anything left to lose. America's leaders have become so arrogant they see us all as dumb animals in a way I wouldn't treat a dog. The horny nerds in government all have one thing in common, they had no friends growing up, probably ate worms and most are no doubt into sick fetishes like piss parties and can't wait to hand the remainder of America over to Lucifers New World Order. With the approval of the American Christian church, of course.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-80549406688506927122008-02-10T10:43:00.000-07:002008-02-10T10:43:00.000-07:00I'm originally from Kirkwood, Missouri and I went ...I'm originally from Kirkwood, Missouri and I went to school with Charles "Cookie" Thornton. Cookie was one the friendliest people I've met, always full of life. You can read the same comments from anyone who knew him. It was the battle with city hall that took the life out of him and led him to do something that can't be undone.<BR/><BR/>Kirkwood is one of those towns with strict zoning laws. There is also a racist aspect that goes back decades. I don't have the room to explain it here. Cookie was a good person who got caught up in something. I don't excuse his actions and I wish someone could have stopped him. I do think you're right in saying that we'll see more incidents like this, especially in up-and-coming affluent suburbs like Kirkwood (which used to be just a nice little town before the land developers and speculators arrived).LKJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-18408015792539720222008-02-10T10:30:00.000-07:002008-02-10T10:30:00.000-07:00With all of the corruption in both local, and fede...With all of the corruption in both local, and federal government I believe that know one is off topic here. Who here hasn't looked at what is comming and thought about civil war. That is right, I said "Civil War", and that is what will happen as we plunge further into this nightmare currently imposed upon us. I have served honorably, and have many brothers still in service, and they inform me of being asked whether or not they would shoot unruly U.S. citizens while collecting our means of resistance(guns).Most will not, but say they will to avoid what is done to resistors in the military. What this man did was easily condoned if you are a patriot. He tried to fight by their rules, and when that failed he adapted some of his own. It is unfortunate that we had to lose him in his fight, but he did exactly what the U.S. is doing in Iraq. We tried to fight coventionally, and when that failed, we resorted to what we thought would work(torture), even if it hurt large numbers of people. It is only natural for a man who is supposed to have rights to excercise them, and when those supposed right are stripped away that man is forced to fight. Or he is no man at all. I is just disturbing that we must kill each other to realize this simple fact. Some here will be appalled by what I am saying, but does it lack truth? I consider all people of all races my brothers and sisters, but green, not black and white is what they taught me. I realize that most do not see green, nor do they want this. It is much easier to control people if they are divided, and this event proves the alienation that one man felt was enough for them to use, to beat him. Would the same have happened if this man was supported by his town, and brought large numbers of his community to his aid? I wonder, how they will demonize him in the press as they stuff their pockets with money from his death? Wake up America, divided we fall....Or did you all forget that?USMC gruntnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-10901186423687066972008-02-10T10:26:00.000-07:002008-02-10T10:26:00.000-07:00A few years back we had a similar situation out he...A few years back we had a similar situation out here in Colorado.<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/2dkqugAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-41341446626445836402008-02-10T10:09:00.000-07:002008-02-10T10:09:00.000-07:00The problem in this country is NOT the government,...The problem in this country is NOT the government, as is the popular belief. It's not the multi-national corporations, not the terrorists, the police, or the foreign lobbyists. The problem today, as it was yesterday, and will be tomorrow and for the forseeable future, is as always YOU! Yes you, the American public. For you are the people who have the power to put a STOP to all of this. Corporations are by nature, tyrannies. Yet, the government is the ONLY institution in our society in which the people can affect change. Yet, you have all stood by idly and allowed things to come to this. Furthermore, the people who get elected into local city councils, the mayors, commissioners and what not come FROM the American public. They're from American towns, went to American schools, American churches, and were born from American parent in most cases, and as long as we as Americans put SELF INTEREST before the interest of the common good, which YOU ALL WOULD, WITHOUT EXCEPTION... then this will continue down the road of the totalitarian tiptoe towards complete corporate fascism. All it takes is a simple bribe or a contribution, and you will SELL OUT, just like every Mayor, City Council member, Governer, Legislator, Sheriff, Congressman, Alderman, Deacon, Pastor, Senator, Judge, and police officer in the country. You may think, oh what a crock... but think about it. All it takes is one bribe, and one compramise, and it's over. Then your whole life is a series of compramises, and then you no longer own your life. But guess what... it ain't gonna get any better unless YOU... the American public, stands up to these institutions and FORCES their change.<BR/><BR/>Otherwise you're all just a bunch of punk sellouts, who don't deserve the freedom you THOUGHT you had in the first place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-71720809388868937102008-02-10T09:52:00.000-07:002008-02-10T09:52:00.000-07:00A firebell in the night?This is an interesting sim...<I><B>A firebell in the night?</I></B><BR/><BR/>This is an interesting simile.<BR/><BR/>As a stand alone statement, it does little justice to the square peg contradiction of human nature as it is meant to fit into the round hole of the culture built around our empirical (pragmatic and scientific) barbarism.<BR/><BR/>It does not, for instance, deal with the problems associated with problems like Purdue Pharma's Oxycontin, a synthetic heroin.<BR/><BR/>It does not deal with the problems of the poisonous nature of industry and science.<BR/><BR/>It does not deal with the corrupt nature of a self-serving and self-certifying academia.<BR/><BR/>And this approach does nothing to point toward a moral truth any of us might live more comfortably with. This approach, in fact makes our world less tolerable.<BR/><BR/>Killing everyone in government has been tried before (1789 in France).<BR/><BR/>Without some direction thereafter, we end up with a Napoleon and a Wellington, each reasserting the divine rights of kings.<BR/><BR/>The answer is that just as empirical knowledge was once thought to laud over superstition, (The Enlightenment), now Categorical Knowledge will rule over all empirical knowledge.<BR/><BR/><I><B>The moral imperative of life is to live a life that detracts not at all from the lives available to those who will follow us into this world.</I></B><BR/><BR/>THAT is Categorical Knowledge. <BR/><BR/>THAT statement is true in every instance without any exception. <BR/><BR/>If one ignores Categorical Knowledge, they are going to be wrong almost every time.<BR/><BR/>Don Robertson, The American PhilosopherDon Robertson, The American Philosopherhttp://www.geocities.com/donaldwrobertson/amoralepistemology.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-75572387263284862412008-02-10T09:51:00.000-07:002008-02-10T09:51:00.000-07:00Charles Thornton: The legal battlesST. LOUIS POST-...Charles Thornton: The legal battles<BR/>ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH<BR/>02/09/2008<BR/><BR/>A look back at some of the civil and criminal cases involving Charles Lee "Cookie" Thornton, 52.<BR/><BR/>You should look these over, particularly the assualt on the restaurant owner. Thornton was his own worst enemy.<BR/><BR/>http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/86D2B4B65CACF1DE862573EA0018F2D7?OpenDocument<BR/><BR/>I'm close enough geographically to Kirkwood MO that I've been aware of this guy for some years. Thornton was more a figure of fun than anything else (until Thursday). <BR/><BR/>The city had actually cancelled most of the fines it had imposed on Thornton. <BR/><BR/>To be sure, meddlesome zoning is an injustice, but because of our current legal setup, it is what we have instead of a voluntary "property holders" association to deal with "bad" neighbors. Leaving asphalt paving equipment in front of your residence would probably qualify for most people as being a bad neighbor.<BR/><BR/>Clearly though if you read through the referenced article, this tormented soul was losing his grip on reality for years, and had a healthy dose of paranoia to boot.<BR/><BR/>I don't think though that this is a parable of some guy being driven over the edge by oppressive government. He was over the edge anyway, and there was a lot more than zoning or parking tickets fueling the fire.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-81393555237062337182008-02-10T09:48:00.000-07:002008-02-10T09:48:00.000-07:00Mr Grigg,You are clearly a wonderful man, sensitiv...Mr Grigg,<BR/><BR/>You are clearly a wonderful man, sensitive to the very meaning of our American Freedoms, to be presenting these situations in such a mindful and understanding manner. One only hopes the thugs who run these minor fiefdoms we call townships, will take a lesson from the unfortunate events which have unfolded here. Sadly, many of them never seem to connect the dots. But it very much warms my heart that you have not portrayed an otherwise honest business man as a criminal, as some other writers might be inclined. The boiling point reached on that fateful day could have happened to any one of us, if the shoe were on the other foot. I like to say, by the grace of God, there go I. The people who make up all these crazy rules for the rest of us to live by, many times do not seem to have an appreciation for the ideas upon which this great land was founded. That blood and treasure was spilled and spent, that lives were lost and disease endured, all in the name of freedom. -- So, it appears that sometimes that quite unwittingly, more blood needs to be shed and involving the most unlikely of people, so that the forgotten lessons can be remembered. Certainly, no one hopes this to be the case. But as reality dictates at times, this fate is one stanza of life that necessitates a chorus or a refrain. The song is one many want to avoid hearing, but nevertheless one realizes that freedom is always an expensive price and never bought cheaply. Let this be a wake up call to the memory of our founding, so this never has to happen again to anyone we know and love.<BR/><BR/>Thank you so much, Mr. Grigg. God bless you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-61056114696895942542008-02-10T07:40:00.000-07:002008-02-10T07:40:00.000-07:00If you would like to send me a review copy, I'd be...If you would like to send me a review copy, I'd be happy to write up an article about your book for the Libertarian Republican Blog. <BR/><BR/>www.libertarianrepublican.blogspot.com<BR/><BR/>Send me an email and I'll give you the address to mail it too.Eric Donderohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02763399145451696076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-47244875891149103072008-02-10T07:37:00.000-07:002008-02-10T07:37:00.000-07:00Mr. Grigg, I've used your comments in a story on t...Mr. Grigg, I've used your comments in a story on the Kirkwood murders, and linked to your site. <BR/><BR/>You can find it here:<BR/><BR/>www.libertarianrepublican.blogspot.comEric Donderohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02763399145451696076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-15243431242217743662008-02-10T00:57:00.000-07:002008-02-10T00:57:00.000-07:002/10/08Bill:Would you be kind enough to get a hold...2/10/08<BR/><BR/>Bill:<BR/><BR/>Would you be kind enough to get a hold of me.<BR/><BR/>Lenny@Ladner4ussenate.com<BR/><BR/>Lenny LadnerLennyladner4ussenate.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-29757284192170339472008-02-09T20:07:00.000-07:002008-02-09T20:07:00.000-07:00Please click on the link above for great article f...Please click on the link above for great article from Bill Denman on why planning and zoning is wrong from a standpoint of basic principles.<BR/><BR/>ThanksPlanning and Zoning a Prelude to Disasterhttp://www.christianlibertyparty.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=40&func=fileinfo&id=11noreply@blogger.com