tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post116352389557218554..comments2017-04-13T04:47:21.148-06:00Comments on Pro Libertate: The "New Police Professionalism," or Support Your Local Gang-BangerWilliam N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1163654955698836762006-11-15T22:29:00.000-07:002006-11-15T22:29:00.000-07:00A few months back, in the course of a discussion w...A few months back, in the course of a discussion with a friend of mine about our God-given rights, it occurred to me that God can rescind those rights if He wants to, especially if His people are acting like hypocrites and worshiping icons like the apostate Billy Graham et al,the Repugnican Party (you heard it here first)ad nauseum. Throughout my campaign I emphasized the necessity of national repentance and praying for resoration of the Church. That's probably why I got a whopping 1% of the vote.TravisTHeadcasehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13233913623475062985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1163632965263086402006-11-15T16:22:00.000-07:002006-11-15T16:22:00.000-07:00Note how useful it was to have a cell phone in thi...Note how useful it was to have a cell phone in this instance. Otherwise, it would have been the word of a 'law enforcement official' and other 'reliable witnesses' against an 'out of control' refugee. <BR/><BR/>I agree that a million-dollar award seems disproportionate given the minimal harm done and the fact that the people of Salt Lake City deserve better, but maybe it does serve as a wake-up call to politicians that they cannot afford to employ police officers with the mentality of attack dogs.<BR/><BR/>Ron Paul for President!IMPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08413584568641876916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1163573875995047012006-11-14T23:57:00.000-07:002006-11-14T23:57:00.000-07:00DD and CK,you both make valid points. maybe what ...DD and CK,<BR/><BR/>you both make valid points. maybe what i'm about to say may sounds funny. there was this guy once, who was very very powerful. we he came up against his enemy, he relaized that at that point he could not fight him. he did not have permission to fight him. had he fought him, he would have lost. so he did what he could do...he said, "man! bump you!" and got out of town. his name was michael. his adversary was satan. sometimes ya gotsta fight, and sumtimes yas gotsta not fight. i'm not fightin da man right now. i'd wind up in jail and would be rather useless to God from inside a jail. i may have been right before the fight. but in jail? God's not telling me to fight him.when it comes time to fihgt da man. da man will be fought. time to prepare for that fight.<BR/><BR/>another example and i must go. income tax. there really is no law saying we have to pay it? but don't pay it and see what happens? what are your chances of winning by yourself? when the time is right, gang up on da man and bring him down. but the direct approach? ha. thos ewho have beaten the IRS are few. God bless them. those who have lost are in the tens of thousands. <BR/><BR/>as for me, i'm gonna stick to my purpose. i have a feeling though, my path and that of da man's will cross. if i stick to His plan, then when those paths do cross, i'll be ready. if our paths cross at any other time, i'm a goner.rickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12473173027048173880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1163567325298309702006-11-14T22:08:00.000-07:002006-11-14T22:08:00.000-07:00Rick,Adding some to DD's response to your comments...Rick,<BR/><BR/>Adding some to DD's response to your comments...I agree that "da man" has quite a bit of power in many areas, however the tone of your post seemed endued with a definite sense of defeatism, i.e., da man has all the power and we have none...as it was with our fathers and their fathers before them. While this may seem to be true on the surface, I can't help but sense the same kind of attitude in the post that permeates the inner city commuities in this country. I cannot concur that our generation is morally blameless for the current state of the State. The implication is that we are hapless victims who have no real ability to change the situation. By logical extension it falls to the conclusion that we need some "do-gooder" to rescue us from our helpless state, i.e., a Jesse Jackson or Louis Farakhan...no thank you.<BR/><BR/>If we, as well as previous generations, were faithful to God's will, then this mess wouldn't exist at the magnitude that it does today. As far as doing God's will and that being all that we can do, well it ultimately is in a very real sense up to us anyway; I believe that it is in the book of Romans where we are taught that the men in power are there because God want's them there. I can't speak for anyone else, but the way I wrap my mind around this is that God puts whomever in power based upon how our people honor Him; if we fail to honor Him, then we get what we have today...if we honor Him then we get a government the respects the Constitution and has a significant measure of integrity, as in an era long gone from this land. Fatalistic attitudes will simply keep us enslaved.Captain Kirkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04563942938766163570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1163554657636746882006-11-14T18:37:00.000-07:002006-11-14T18:37:00.000-07:00Needless to say, there are no Davy Crocketts among...<I>Needless to say, there are no Davy Crocketts among the commoners today. Hence, no politicians reflect that reality either.</I><BR/><BR/>Correction, Ron Paul is probably the sole exception to this as Will has mentioned in past posts. My apologies to Mr. Paul for the broad brush stroke across the face :(.dixiedoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09845646940134894119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1163553912858597072006-11-14T18:25:00.000-07:002006-11-14T18:25:00.000-07:00you made some valid points, but i would disagree w...<I>you made some valid points, but i would disagree with you and DD if you say that we have only ourselves to blame. it's easy to say, "we should stnad up for our rights come hell or high water! down with the man!" but the reality is is that Da man has a lot of power over you, and has his tentacles that spread everywhere. he has his hands on a lot of powerful tools that we do not.</I><BR/><BR/>"Da man" has a lot of power over us precisely because WE ALL, ourselves, our parents, our grandparents, great-grandparents, have over decades and decades gradually acceded it; we've allowed our cultural institutions to be subverted, our churches to be subverted, our hearts and minds to be perverted.<BR/><BR/>[Da man's well-known methods...snipped]<BR/><BR/><I>that's a lot of power. in the face of that onslaught...are we really to blame? partially, but when one has been set back from birth, it's hard to fix a corrupt system. where the romans born after julius caesar to blame for their empire that oppressed them? sometimes in life, i hate to admit it, we just get screwed.</I><BR/><BR/>Look, we will either self-govern or we will be governed externally. The only way to self-govern successfully is by keeping our baser self at bay. We no longer can do that anymore as the rise of depravity of every stripe and the populace's greedy appetite for it clearly demonstrates, rick. Did "Da man" make us that way?? NO! "Da man" naturally will use that condition to his benefit and has done and doing so. When I was in school, school shootings were unheard of and guns were more prevalent, yet we've seen several in recent years. Why? Did "Da man" concoct these events? NO! But, again, "Da man" will use these opportunities to tighten his grip on freedom. It's a natural progression. We could go through the various cultural realities of the present age and see why "Da man" controls or governs us in areas that we were formerly self-governing adequately.<BR/><BR/>I recall reading about Davy Crockett, while a member of the HoR representing the fine folk in Green County, TN, refused to use public money to give to a widow. He instead called on everyone in the chamber to cheritably offer their own money and the bill was defeated. The crux here though is that he was a commoner <I>before</I> becoming a politician, BTW. The commoners in his district reminded him of his oath to abide by the constitution and he followed through. Needless to say, there are no Davy Crocketts among the commoners today. Hence, no politicians reflect that reality either.<BR/><BR/><I>i think da man has been so successful so far is because we are worn down, but most importantly, we are divided. well, God is still in control and keep this is mind. if you, me, DD, and everyone else does what God would have us to do, then we have done all that we can. so, in that regard, and to cheer us both up, let us focus on our first mission from God--our purpose--and not be distracted by everything else. :-) when you do what God would have you to do, you'll find that you do not have time, nor the anointing to venture off to save a world that He's gonna destroy.</I><BR/><BR/>Destroy? That's debatable. I believe it will be renewed surely, but I don't think destroyed. But that's not important to the topic being discussed. As to your other assertions, I agree rick, which is why I don't waste my time in futility attempting to change the political landscape anymore. I used to be like that and yacked endlessly about the political lanscape. I do vote for the candidates I believe are the best fit for the position, however, but I don't argue the minutiae anymore. It's hearts and minds that need reshaping, and by extension the culture, not the political establishment.<BR/><BR/><I>if we all just stick to His word, i think we'll find that our current situation will improve. and if it doesn't...so what? we've only to please Him and Him alone.</I><BR/><BR/>Agreed. However, a commoner whining, cryin', screamin' and/or otherwise bellyaching about a politician's graft, greed, sexual immorality, etc., ad nauseam while that same commoner is out and about shacking up, porking at will, or watching "Desparate Housewives," or cheating on his wife or her on her husband, or he/she allows their children to be engrossed in MTV and other myriad cultural youngster slop pits is FUTILE and a huge waste of energy, not to mention extremely hypocritical. No wonder one like this would keep their mouth SHUT and fold up and become a chameleon in the crowd when/if the heat gets a bit too close for comfort, act "worn down" if you will.<BR/><BR/><I>keep the faith, and fight the good fight.</I><BR/><BR/>Sadly, that's where we all have faltered and need to be ready to take our lumps at this point by standing firm <I>in faith</I> even when the heat gets turned up and it will get hotter. You can count on that, brother rick. That is, IF you're not part of the crowd, acting like the crowd, playin' the crowd's game in the sewer pit, you'll be noticed, eventually, and be persecuted. It's extremely difficult to not partake of the world's wiles while being in this world, to be sure but, on the other hand, we'll have zero positive impact on folks' lives if we don't act as salt and light. Anyway, something to ponder.dixiedoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09845646940134894119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1163545992654083372006-11-14T16:13:00.000-07:002006-11-14T16:13:00.000-07:00I seem to remember shortly after 9/11 that Ashcrof...I seem to remember shortly after 9/11 that Ashcroft issued pamphlets to citizens in the TIPS program to be on the lookout for potential terrorists in their neighborhoods who were characterized by, among other things, verbal defense of the Constitution. Does anyone else remember this, or have links to the pamphlet that contained this information?zchris63http://www.blogger.com/profile/15044325194992357871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1163542156216575582006-11-14T15:09:00.000-07:002006-11-14T15:09:00.000-07:00CK,you made some valid points, but i would disagre...CK,<BR/><BR/>you made some valid points, but i would disagree with you and DD if you say that we have only ourselves to blame. it's easy to say, "we should stnad up for our rights come hell or high water! down with the man!" but the reality is is that Da man has a lot of power over you, and has his tentacles that spread everywhere. he has his hands on a lot of powerful tools that we do not. he taxes us to the point where both parents have to work. he forces us to send our kids to his schools. he makes us pay rent on items we are supposed to own like cars and houses. he makes our sons sign up for his drafts. he makes us sign contracts like SS so that he can take more of our money and give you permission to drive a car, or open a bank account. he forces us to accept licenses and ID so that we can run a business, or drive a car. he forces us to get permits so that we can improve our homes, or defend ourselves with a gun.<BR/><BR/>that's a lot of power. in the face of that onslaught...are we really to blame? partially, but when one has been set back from birth, it's hard to fix a corrupt system. where the romans born after julius caesar to blame for their empire that oppressed them? sometimes in life, i hate to admit it, we just get screwed.<BR/><BR/>i think da man has been so successful so far is because we are worn down, but most importantly, we are divided. well, God is still in control and keep this is mind. if you, me, DD, and everyone else does what God would have us to do, then we have done all that we can. so, in that regard, and to cheer us both up, let us focus on our first mission from God--our purpose--and not be distracted by everything else. :-) when you do what God would have you to do, you'll find that you do not have time, nor the anointing to venture off to save a world that He's gonna destroy.<BR/><BR/>if we all just stick to His word, i think we'll find that our current situation will improve. and if it doesn't...so what? we've only to please Him and Him alone.<BR/><BR/>keep the faith, and fight the good fight.rickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12473173027048173880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1163532225890054092006-11-14T12:23:00.000-07:002006-11-14T12:23:00.000-07:00Will,Once and again, you're right on the money. I...Will,<BR/><BR/>Once and again, you're right on the money. I thought the Bill of Rights was supposed to protect us against these kinds of shock-troop incursions. It used to mean something when one took an oath to uphold the Constitution. I guess its just a perfunctory motion now. Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems like the more egregious examples of this kind of conduct became common as a result of the failed "war on drugs".<BR/><BR/>As to the SLC cop and his conduct, there will always be members of the law enforcement community who suffer from a chronic case of rectal-cranial inversion. There are those folks who will only behave in a civil, professional manner because the threat of castigation for behaving otherwise is their prime motivator. Unfortunately, it appears that this kind of behavior is more and more sanctioned and even rewarded in the name of protecting "We the Sheeple" from the boogie man du jour.<BR/><BR/>I think it was Dixie Dog who pointed out that we have only ourselves to blame for this as the "powers that be" are only a reflection of our collective selves; ignorance, apathy and every man doing what is right in his own eyes, i.e., no moral center, is what has gotten us to this point. Will, how do we fix it?Captain Kirkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04563942938766163570noreply@blogger.com