tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post116216686421311957..comments2017-04-13T04:47:21.148-06:00Comments on Pro Libertate: Is Real Money "Illegal"?William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1165364642266830822006-12-05T17:24:00.000-07:002006-12-05T17:24:00.000-07:00Great piece! Aside from the Liberty Dollar, buying...Great piece! Aside from the Liberty Dollar, buying gold no matter the <A HREF="http://www.fdrs.org/current_gold_price.html" REL="nofollow">current gold price</A> is a good idea, too. By the way, what a ridiculous notion that using "real money" is illegal, especially that which our Constitution specifically says we're supposed to use. Our "leaders" have some 'splainin' to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1162494678329439642006-11-02T12:11:00.000-07:002006-11-02T12:11:00.000-07:00You've made a mistake... The dollar was defined as...You've made a mistake... The dollar was defined as 371.25 <I>grains</I> of silver, not <I>grams</I>. That's a little more than 0.77 troy ounce...Adityanathhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06540398914012428812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1162243097493876982006-10-30T14:18:00.000-07:002006-10-30T14:18:00.000-07:00I agree with Capt'n Kirk wholeheartedly.I have som...I agree with Capt'n Kirk wholeheartedly.<BR/><BR/>I have some of those WWI-era Reichnotes and some pre-WWI notes myself, including a 20K and a 50K mark note. Whoopee! ;)<BR/><BR/>Grigg, this is right on the <I>money</I> (pardon the pun). One of the traits you exhibit that I respect greatly is your ability to pierce the veil and reveal the core innard of a topic or concept and explain it so plainly and eloquently. As some other commenters have said, and I agree, you're a gifted writer and will find a new publishing abode, if not already.<BR/><BR/>Honestly, though, have you ever given thought to publishing your own written material in book form or simply write a book(s) on a given topic(s) with the well-researched material you have obtained over the years? IMHO, I believe you would do quite well as a solo author. I know I'd buy your books ;).<BR/><BR/>kishnevi, it's the force of government that cause acceptance of the ragnotes at face value, nothing intrinsic. Besides, most folk don't even value the ragnotes in the abstract so much themselves, otherwise they wouldn't have a near zero savings rate. Assets is what will have any value, not paper money. Of course, on the other hand, that same cast of folk don't buy the assets that appreciate or hold their value too well either. Oh well...such is life in a dying republic.dixiedoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09845646940134894119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1162241728129000862006-10-30T13:55:00.000-07:002006-10-30T13:55:00.000-07:00kishnevi,i must disagree with you that owning gold...kishnevi,<BR/><BR/>i must disagree with you that owning gold or silver is just nostalgia. paper and ink has no value. FRNs are counterfeit. a promissary note--FRNs--promise to pay nothing.<BR/><BR/>use this as a litmus test. when the when the crap hits the fand and it becomes TEOTWAWKI (the end of the world as we know it)...would you rather be holding paper, or a precious metal?<BR/><BR/>you are right that money is whatever people agree on, but FRNs are forced upon us. we use them because we are forced to.<BR/><BR/>gold and silver are not affected by inflation, FRNs are.<BR/><BR/>i think it would be a wise move to get some silver and gold now while it's still legal before the govt decides that only terrorists use gold. if you do decide to do this...do not put your coins in the bank.<BR/><BR/>btw, i share your opinion on the articles of confederation. it had a few flaws, but it was still a good document.rickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12473173027048173880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1162195242122979332006-10-30T01:00:00.000-07:002006-10-30T01:00:00.000-07:00Will,Once and again you hit the nail right on the ...Will,<BR/><BR/>Once and again you hit the nail right on the head. One of the other posters here made the arguement that FRN's are the accepted exchange medium and that's the way that it is. I concure that this may be the case, however when (and not if) the next time comes that the economy collapses like a house of cards in a gust of wind, what good will these notes be. Look at what happened to the Deutsche Mark after WWI. Germany's economy was destroyed and the notes were worthless. At that point in time in our future when our economy goes totally pear-shaped, will I be able to feed my family with FRNs...will I be able to clothe my children with them...will I be able to obtain fuel for my vehicles with them... will I be able to pay my mortgage with them? I think not. They might be useful for wiping my backside or starting a cooking fire, but not much else. Precious metals historically have found almost universal acceptance as an exchamge medium. I plan to hedge my bets on good old Gold and Silver. <BR/><BR/>It also occurred to me that if NORFED is doing something patently illegal, then why haven't the Imperial Stormtroopers gone after them? I think that the Feds realize that they don't have a legitimate legal leg to stand on and big, scary noises are the best that they can do...that is until they either pass a new law to slap NORFED and others like them down or until one of their legal eagles finds some convincing way that a current law can be twisted to fit the needs of the Empire in snuffing NORFED out of existence. <BR/><BR/>Ultimately. a passage in Isaiah comes to mind: Isa 5:20 "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" I think many folks intuitively recognize the behavior in the current regime is the kind of thing warned about in the passage in Isaiah. As a result, I see a "regime change" in our future. My concern is that the "replacements" may be just as bad or even worse. What did The Who pen lyrics-wise? "Meet the new Boss, same as the old Boss."<BR/><BR/>Will as an aside, while most of us accept that Gold and Silver have intrinsic value, I'd like to publicly state that I consider you to also be a national treasure. Maybe NORFED should mint a $20 Gold Piece with your mug stamped on the front. Keep up the good work. <BR/><BR/>Captain KirkCaptain Kirkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04563942938766163570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1162183889909813352006-10-29T21:51:00.000-07:002006-10-29T21:51:00.000-07:00If you pursue the hypertechnicality of your argume...If you pursue the hypertechnicality of your argument, the USConst. renders copper pennies and nickel nickels illegitimate as legal tender.<BR/>The provision was simply another one of the many that attempted to keep the states from competing with the central government, and it's a good clue as to where the Federalists of 1789 thought the power should be: in the English legal tradition, only the sovereign had the right to make coins--meaning, in this instance, not the States, but the FedGov.<BR/>(For purposes of clarity, I belong to the persuasion that we should have never abandoned the Articles of Confederation.)<BR/><BR/>Also, the view that gold and silver should be the money of the future. For all we know it may by computer chips or vials of uranium dust. Money is, at heart, whatever people choose to accept as the standard through which financial transactions are completed. And therefore, whether you like it or not, FRNs and not gold and silver are the money of the present, because it's the (alleged) value of the FRNs that are the accepted standard, and not the gold. This does not conflict with you views about what will eventually happen because of the unlimited printing of FRNs and foreign ownership of FRNs, etc. But it does mean that, in my view, your nostalgia for gold and silver is just that: nostalgia.kishnevihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01437400043049608843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1162180230011549612006-10-29T20:50:00.000-07:002006-10-29T20:50:00.000-07:00According to the Bible, governments are ordained b...According to the Bible, governments are ordained by God to reward good and punish "evildoers". <BR/>As you metioned, there is no injured party when an agreement is mutually agreed upon by two individuals entering into commerce or contract. <BR/>Because individuals are soveriegn, at least historically speaking in America, they are capable of determining what value an object holds. This is the basis for the term "caveat emptor", meaning "buyer beware". Monies are simply a means of exchange confirming the transaction. How then does the Constitution empower government to determine the value of such an exchange? <BR/>In this case, government is punishing people for using honest and just scales, a clearly God-sanctioned principle, and it is forcing people to use the man-created satanic fiat currency system. <BR/>In the case of the White "Seppulcher' House appointments of sodomites to government positions, the government rewards evil and abominable acts.<BR/>Therefore this government is not performing as mandated by God and is therefore apostate, heretical and itself, an abomination. <BR/>The Declaration of Independence calls the people to change or abolish any government that is destructive to God's intended purposes.<BR/>Does that mean that the Founding Forefathers were enemy combatants as well? If so, then it follows that if someone calls himself an American patriot, he then admits that he is an enemy combatant in the eyes of the abomination that currently holds the death grip on America.<BR/>That includes Hush Bimbo, Hannity, Beck ad nauseum.TravisTHeadcasehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13233913623475062985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1162179215846571642006-10-29T20:33:00.000-07:002006-10-29T20:33:00.000-07:00will,i think i got the perfect use for liberty dol...will,<BR/><BR/>i think i got the perfect use for liberty dollars....melt them down into bullets and scare off the vampires(s) that is (are) sucking our lifeblood from us. every paycheck i get i see how i pay more to various govts each month than i do to support myself--bills. and this doesn't even include the taxes assessed in those bills, and at the store.<BR/><BR/>i hear an old REM song playing in the background.....rickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12473173027048173880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1162175838498227332006-10-29T19:37:00.000-07:002006-10-29T19:37:00.000-07:00Excellent piece. Though it has a few rough edges i...Excellent piece. Though it has a few rough edges indicating it is a draft (as you mentioned), it's still quite impressive.<BR/><BR/>I've been following this Liberty coin thing with some interest because I've read a number of ridiculous intimidation statements from Federal officials in various press coverage and I was curious about the legality of it all. I wanted to see if the government would actually try to prosecute them or raid their facilities, and I wanted to see what laws they'd try to use to justify their actions.<BR/><BR/>However, no such thing has happened (yet), so I am glad to see the Liberty dollars are still going strong.<BR/><BR/>For anyone else reading the blog who enjoyed this post, you'll probably like Aaron Russo's <A HREF="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198&q=freedom+to+fascism&hl=en" REL="nofollow">America: Freedom to Fascism</A> available on Google video in full at the link. It's about the role of the Fed and the IRS in destroying the value of our money and possibly moving us to the "New World Order" so many worry about.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, once again, a very good post. I am very sorry to hear you were fired from The New American, I literally JUST subscribed on a friend's (JBS member) recommendation, I get my first issue, read your bit on the clash of civilizations and got very excited about receiving the magazine every two weeks, only to hear a week later from my friend (and your blog) that you have been fired.<BR/><BR/>I really hope you can find somewhere equally/more influential to work, you're a shining intellect and a talented writer. Have you tried Liberty magazine, or any of the publications of the Mises Institute?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1162172173151802142006-10-29T18:36:00.000-07:002006-10-29T18:36:00.000-07:00Hi Will,I have been reading your blog since around...Hi Will,<BR/><BR/>I have been reading your blog since around the time that you were fired. I don't even know how I found it now :) Maybe it was via Claire Wolfe? Anyway, I'm pleased as proverbial punch to be kept informed of issues in freedom by someone so thoughtful and so well written as you are. <BR/><BR/>Even though I've enjoyed your posts, somehow, when I read the one about the Liberty Dollar, I decided it's time to write :) <BR/><BR/>I am so very sorry about your firing, but it does tell me something about your former employer--and I won't be giving them any money any time soon, by the way. <BR/><BR/>I also hope that your wife is doing better!<BR/><BR/>Thank you again for all your articles, but especially for helping me to understand the difference between what's real money and what isn't.<BR/><BR/>cheers,<BR/>trishTrish, Comic Momhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13433689289015988744noreply@blogger.com