tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post116071767762767164..comments2017-04-13T04:47:21.148-06:00Comments on Pro Libertate: What Do We Do? Fight Them, Until We Can'tWilliam N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1168637058818559482007-01-12T14:24:00.000-07:002007-01-12T14:24:00.000-07:00I'm going to talk every petticoat I know into voti...I'm going to talk every petticoat I know into voting for Ron Paul. How 'bout y'all?miraclewhipofidahonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1161130252788059102006-10-17T18:10:00.000-06:002006-10-17T18:10:00.000-06:00Another observation on Padilla and the efficacy of...Another observation on Padilla and the efficacy of torture: Three witnesses under torture attested to Padilla's guilt -- two of which were al Qaeda members (see quote from Eddlem article above) -- and yet every one of them were apparently wrong.DRShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13198878981483483288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1161108089065854692006-10-17T12:01:00.000-06:002006-10-17T12:01:00.000-06:00Will points out that Padilla was (most likely) tor...Will points out that Padilla was (most likely) tortured simply to break his will, and that under the soon-to-be-signed Torture Law (Military Commissions Act), "evidence" from torture will be admissible in Bush's Star Chamber tribunals. <BR/><BR/>But it's worth adding that the "evidence" against Padilla was itself obtained by torture! According to Tom Eddlem's excellent article in the July 24, 2006 New American, "The primary proof against Padilla for alleged crimes of plotting terrorist acts in the United States are al Habashi's statements [obtained] while under CIA torture in Afghanistan (al Habashi has since recanted his statements) and statements by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Abu Zubaydah, senior al-Qaeda members who fingered Padilla only under torture."<BR/><BR/>I wonder how many innocent people have been caught-up in similar torture-cascades?<BR/><BR/>David StertzDRShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13198878981483483288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1161066485107859862006-10-17T00:28:00.000-06:002006-10-17T00:28:00.000-06:00Much is revealed about the tribulation before the ...Much is revealed about the tribulation before the end; however, we should recall "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." Jesus Christ in Matthew 24:13. The Lord charges us to proclaim the gospel until the end. I believe that we are to proclaim the gospel of Constitutional government as well.Douglas S.http://www.blogger.com/profile/13179607753088965479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1160869511153158052006-10-14T17:45:00.000-06:002006-10-14T17:45:00.000-06:00imp,telling people to shut up is not nice. you wo...imp,<BR/><BR/>telling people to shut up is not nice. you won't make any friends. in these times, it's best that we make as many friends as possible, less when DA MANcomes for you, you'll have a network of friends to turn to.rickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12473173027048173880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1160864512070522082006-10-14T16:21:00.000-06:002006-10-14T16:21:00.000-06:00If you really think the cause is hopeless, why don...<I>If you really think the cause is hopeless, why don't you shut up?</I><BR/><BR/>Typically, I <I>am</I> for the most part quiet and subdued, except when I see folk like you who are long on spout, but always short on action. That only makes you part of the problem not a solution. Alligator mouths w/jaybird asses always raise my temperature.<BR/><BR/><I>Not that I'm imposing on your freedom of speech, I just wonder why you bother if you think there's no value to it.</I><BR/><BR/>Why do I bother with what or about what??? Bother voting? Bother worrying about the certain inevitability of world government? The inevitability of the NAU?<BR/><BR/>Newsflash! I haven't bothered in years now because as I mentioned in the previous thread most folk live by pragmatism, not prudence. Sometimes it takes several trips around the mountain or through the wilderness for the light to finally turn on and they grab a cluestick. So be it, that's human nature.<BR/><BR/><I>Millions of people get their news and information from alternatives to big media. Polls show it's having an effect -- the vast majority opposes the war, and will vote against the Republicans this Fall.</I><BR/><BR/>If "millions of people" get their news from the JBS, TNA, and other real bona fide alternatives rather than from the global-centric cabal or the other elephant-aligned and donkey-aligned sites, why are they so ignorant of the machinations in play?<BR/><BR/>In case this is a revelation to you, contrary to popular myth voting != freedom and proves meaningless time and time again because it's just a pendulum play between degrees of totalitarianism the masses will tolerate (or desire as the case may be), choosing either the Countach or a Volkswagen but always, with few exceptions, moving in the same direction. Besides, the most tyrannical societies on the planet often have 100% voter turnout. Actually when women were given the right to vote, it was another fatal blow to liberty since women by nature are tyrannical minded - safety and security top every other concern, bar none. John Adams mentioned the "tyranny of the petticoat" himself.<BR/><BR/>Do you not go out much? You can observe and listen to folk especially women folk, as they generally loathe high taxes and such like most but, on the other hand, crying out for more government action in some area, the "There needs to be a LAW..." syndrome. Even men are quite prone to it these days.<BR/><BR/>Now, if you want to call me a defeatist, fine, whatever floats ya boat impy. Frankly, I believe the country is beyond the point of no return to a constitutional republic at this stage. The problems with this country are w-a-y beyond mere politics, political parties, and the vastly overstated importance of d-a v-o-t-e. It's the core innards that are rotting. The politicos simply reflect the mass innards from which they come.<BR/><BR/>Only the King of Kings will break it down; we won't, we cannot. So am I worried little man/woman? Cryin' a river of despair? Not at all. Nobody said life would be leisurely and carefree, and mine certainly hasn't been hitherto, so why worry so much and work up a sweat to momentarily change the politicos instead of impacting individual hearts and minds for Christ, one person at a time? After all things don't change, other than momentarily, from the top down, only from the bottom up makes a real significant and lasting impact.dixiedoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09845646940134894119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1160841301758352412006-10-14T09:55:00.000-06:002006-10-14T09:55:00.000-06:00Same ol' sources, same ol' propaganda, just differ...<I>Same ol' sources, same ol' propaganda, just different mediums is all.</I><BR/><BR/>If you really think the cause is hopeless, why don't you shut up?<BR/><BR/>Not that I'm imposing on your freedom of speech, I just wonder why you bother if you think there's no value to it.<BR/><BR/>Millions of people get their news and information from alternatives to big media. Polls show it's having an effect -- the vast majority opposes the war, and will vote against the Republicans this Fall. <BR/><BR/>The "Oh no, they control everything and we're helpless and everyone else is a mindless boob anyway" philosophy is the same elitism that dominates the neoconservative drive for power. Thank God Sam Adams and the other Founders did more than mope into their beers about the impossibility of defeating the greatest empire the world had ever seen!<BR/><BR/>Neither the Parable of the Talents nor the Theory of Evolution have much sympathy for the person who despairs into paralysis. Why don't you take your medication, hide in a closet, try not to chew your leg off, and let the big boys and girls change the world? <BR/><BR/>Because that's what we're going to do, one blog and one vote at a time.IMPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08413584568641876916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1160826788952173372006-10-14T05:53:00.000-06:002006-10-14T05:53:00.000-06:00i don't think lincoln was honest in much of what h...i don't think lincoln was honest in much of what he did. people in power hate to be criticized. his attack of war critics had nothing to do with the constitution, but everything to do with himself. he had to know he breaking the law; he just had to carefully choose his words to justify his act.<BR/><BR/>when i look back on booth shooting lincoln and yelling, "sic semper tyrannis", i can only acknowledge how right he was--calling lincoln a tyrant. ....and that's not to condone what he did.rickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12473173027048173880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1160791332227776642006-10-13T20:02:00.000-06:002006-10-13T20:02:00.000-06:00I would date the death of the Constitution to the ...I would date the death of the Constitution to the announcement of Padilla's arrest. But otherwise your analysis is spot on. <BR/><BR/>Although looking back into history, everything GWB is doing was pioneered by that earlier Republican, Lincoln. But even Honest Abe was honest enough to acknowledge that his suspension of habeas corpus and arrest of war critics was an extraordinary step that was was justified by the need to "save" the Constitution but not by the Constitution itself. The modern Republicans have so little understanding and integrity left that they refuse to acknowledge even that much.kishnevihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01437400043049608843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1160765832913581982006-10-13T12:57:00.000-06:002006-10-13T12:57:00.000-06:00And aren't we doing that now, simply by communicat...<I>And aren't we doing that now, simply by communicating the truth over the last frontier of freedom, the internet?</I><BR/><BR/>No, since most folk <I>actively</I> look to the same sources for their info on the Internet as they would have <I>passively</I>, in a previous era, looked on as a mindless couch potato in the living room from the boob tube. Same ol' sources, same ol' propaganda, just different mediums is all.<BR/><BR/>The ABCNNBCBS core cabal still remains their primary daily info source, only they now can <I>actively</I> navigate gingerly to their respective websites in addition to <I>passively</I> watching them on the boob tube.<BR/><BR/>In fact, we commoners already don't really control the accessibility of data residing on the publicly-accessed servers as it is, even if the data in question is our own. Remember, the commoners don't actually make the policies; rather, it's the multinational corps. like Google, Yahoo, MS, and other entities that control the pipes and the public access servers that do. And since corporations are more congenial toward governments than individuals, the freedom extant is only momentary and completely arbitrary. Sure, they allow some freedom of expression at the moment, of course, but it's whimsical at best.dixiedoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09845646940134894119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1160761248551760052006-10-13T11:40:00.000-06:002006-10-13T11:40:00.000-06:00Thank you for your wisdom, Will. It's a sad situa...Thank you for your wisdom, Will. It's a sad situation, isn't it? The Fred Reed column over at LewRockwell.com that you linked to is sobering as well. <BR/><BR/>I doubt that the Democrats have either the guts or principles to impeach Bush--partly because they're envious he gets away with so much--but I still think we'd be better off with Congress under Democratic control because Republicans need to be taught a lesson. Their hubris knows no bounds while they follow their Great Leader (who himself is following the Father of Lies--whether he knows it or not). <BR/><BR/>P.S.: If you're interested in an interpretation of Bush from an evangelical Christian perspective, here's one: http://r7fel.blogdrive.com/archive/cm-1_cy-2005_m-7_d-3_y-2006_o-.htmlJThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12511087200420823532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1160759517936364292006-10-13T11:11:00.000-06:002006-10-13T11:11:00.000-06:00The obvious answer is that this November, the only...The obvious answer is that this November, the only Republicans who deserve our votes are the handful of ones like Ron Paul, who have kept the faith of individual freedom upon which this country was founded.<BR/><BR/>The Democrats are no friends of individual liberty, but they are likely to impeach Bush for political purposes, and that will set the clock back for tyranny in this country by years. <BR/><BR/>In the meantime, we can build a movement for a return to liberty. And aren't we doing that now, simply by communicating the truth over the last frontier of freedom, the internet?IMPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08413584568641876916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1160748335463715762006-10-13T08:05:00.000-06:002006-10-13T08:05:00.000-06:00will,the only solace in all of this is the fact th...will,<BR/><BR/>the only solace in all of this is the fact that:<BR/><BR/>--God is still in control<BR/><BR/>--we reap what we sow, and bush will get his turn<BR/><BR/>--God knows what He's doing<BR/><BR/>--God knew this was going to happen even before He created this place.<BR/><BR/>....but this still sucks. i'm beginning to think that praying for this man is useless. i believe him to have a reprobate mind. time to turn him over to the devil. oh well, gotta go to the Man for guidance.<BR/><BR/>what to do what to do?<BR/><BR/>:-(rickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12473173027048173880noreply@blogger.com