How to Avoid Being Killed by Federal Law Enforcement Agents

Submitted by Bill St. Clair on Sat, 22 Jun 2013 19:52:59 GMT  <== RKBA ==> 

Bob at The Truth about Guns. A federal agent explains his Use of Force (UOF) rules. My comment:

Good to know. Reinforces my rules of LEO encounters:

1) Avoid cops if at all possible. This can usually be done by impeccable practice of non-aggression, driving the speed limit, stopping completely at signs and lights, and staying in my lane except where marked safe to pass. When that stops being the case, this rule will change to "shoot on sight and go directly to 3."

2) Decide within the first few seconds whether to comply with the officer or kill the beast. This depends largely on whether it acts like an officer or a beast, and whether I think I have a good chance of successful extermination.

3) If the latter, do so, and then go to war on its entire criminal organization. This will likely amount to a death penalty for me. Hey. We all have to die sometime.

I hear a lot of cops say that they're going to go home at the end of their shift. Guess what? So am I. Don't try to stop me, and we'll get along fine. I consider imprisonment to be much worse than death.

I follow Jeff Cooper's gun safety rules, in particular, rule 2: never cover anything with your muzzle that you don't intend to destroy. That means if you point your gun at me, I assume your intention is to kill me, and I will respond appropriately. You'd better pay close attention. You won't get more than one lapse. And I will never forgive.

I would trust cops a lot more if you did a better job of keeping your own in line. I expect a cop who commits a crime on duty to go before a grand jury. If indicted, to a jury of his peers. If convicted, to prison, preferably in gen pop. Just like the rest of us. Sovereign immunity rightly breeds lynch mobs. I expect good cops to ensure that the bad ones are prosecuted, or to take care of the problem themselves, with extreme prejudice.

The reason cops don't ever back down is that their primary responsibility is to make a bunch of statutes, written by men, for largely their own personal gain, appear to be law. They ain't. They never were. They never will be. Stop treating consensual behavior as crime, honor your oath, meaning fully understand it, deeply ruminate about the constitutionality of every statute you are ordered to enforce, and look the other way when you encounter illegal but non-criminal activity (no victim, no criminal intent, no crime), and you'll regain the trust and respect that your profession used to have.

I know. That's all easy to say behind a keyboard in an air-conditioned room. Hence my primary reliance on rule number 1.

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The farther along this

Submitted by 2heavyb on Mon, 24 Jun 2013 04:06:40 GMT

The farther along this system moves towards tyranny the closer I get to believing an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

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Avoid cops

Submitted by MamaLiberty on Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:34:23 GMT

Excellent, Bill. We have pretty good peace officers here, so just avoiding any trouble with them is easy now. I pray I don't live long enough to see the day when rule #3 is necessary.

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Where the hell are we?!?!? 1-3? Maybe 4?

Submitted by Tim Hardin on Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:30:23 GMT

We have long past the point of being able to "just go about our way", leaving others to the same. You can be arrested for literally a thousand "paper infractions" just going to the corner store. Registration (illegal), inspection (illegal), window tint etc...
It has come to #3 already! Our problem is that we have no way to coordinate this society-wide realization, at least not in significant numbers. Many know the truth but are hamstrung because of the compliant majority that are content to just chew their cud and do as they are told hoping they are not summarily executed by members of the praetorian guard.
I am just sick to my stomach watching our once free nation degrade to what it has. Police long, LONG ago stopped being "peace keepers" and shifted full on to "LAW ENFORCERS", and to me, lost all legitimacy in the doing so.

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Since you are rationalizing

Submitted by Bob on Thu, 27 Jun 2013 03:44:36 GMT

Since you are rationalizing which laws you will and won't obey, maybe you should justify robbing banks too.

I mean, we should of never came off the gold standard, right? Banks are evil corporations, right?

Hmm...let's see...you are driving and by your comments following all the rules of the road. But,uh ohh, blue lights behind you. Turns out a vehicle matching your vehicle's description just robbed a bank in the area. You don't know this yet of course.

The cop approaches with his gun pointed at you and before this misunderstanding can be cleared up you've shot and killed the cop because he violated YOUR rules.

Couple of problems though.

1. You are a tough guy over the internet only.

2. You'll probably piss your pants.

3. If you do get the balls to shoot at a cop, you'll be DRT-dead right there and remembered as a LOOOOOSER, or you'll go to jail and get ass raped by baboons every night.

So good luck with your "Master Plan".

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Wow, Bob. That was

Submitted by Tom on Mon, 01 Jul 2013 06:20:48 GMT

Wow, Bob.

That was the most irrational batch of non sequiturs and emotional blatherings that I've seen all day. And I wandered by HuffPo earlier.

I was going to shred every sentence of your illogical diatribe, but I have better things to do. Bottom line, your scenario sounds like something a scared pig would squeal as his last bit of desperate bravado, hoping to regain the illusion of "control".

Newsflash: This ain't no sheep pen, that's over yonder.

LMMFAO.

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Oh, and Bob?Maybe

Submitted by Tom on Mon, 01 Jul 2013 06:57:52 GMT

Oh, and Bob?

Maybe you "should of" (LMMFAO!) looked to the left of the comments before posting your first strawman. The ZAP or NAP will tell you precisely which "laws" are irrelevant and which should be looked at more closely to see if they deserve any further attention from reasonable men.

Most "laws" are stupid and should be broken as often as possible.

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